MC68060FE133
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > From Freescale on April 4th 2011.
    > >Dear James Igou,
    > >In reply to your message regarding Service Request SR 1-737352976:
    > >I can confirm that MC68060FE133 is not a valid Freescale part number.
    > >I cannot speculate about what the devices you were offered might actually be.
    > >Should you need to contact us with regard to this message, please see the notes below.
    > >Best Regards,
    > >Eric
    > >Technical Information & Commercial Support
    > >Freescale Semiconductor
    > [...]
    > Further, in a later response the same technical support agent reaffirmed
    > that the highest clocjked 68060s run at 75Mhz.

    Interesting reply from Freescale Germany:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=884483
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > From Freescale on April 4th 2011.
    > >Dear James Igou,
    > >In reply to your message regarding Service Request SR 1-737352976:
    > >I can confirm that MC68060FE133 is not a valid Freescale part number.
    > >I cannot speculate about what the devices you were offered might actually be.
    > >Should you need to contact us with regard to this message, please see the notes below.
    > >Best Regards,
    > >Eric
    > >Technical Information & Commercial Support
    > >Freescale Semiconductor
    > [...]
    > Further, in a later response the same technical support agent reaffirmed
    > that the highest clocjked 68060s run at 75Mhz.

    Interesting reply from Freescale Germany:

    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=884483


    I can't find the Freescale document referenced that post.
    I don't automatically discount Freescale Germany, as the German subsidiaries of US companies are usually very competent (I was particularly found of AMD's Dresden manufacturing operation until it was transferred to Global Foundries).

    But we seem to have a difference of opinion here.
    One from the parent company, and another from an off shore branch.
    AND the MC68060FE133 is only available from Chinese source.
    That alone makes it questionable.
    The Chinese have a history of counterfeiting, and why aren't there any 'FE133s found elsewhere?

    Also, from tests we have seen that the 'FE133 does not like to run at 133MHz.

    Personally, I hope the community's efforts at creating a good FPGA 68K core will progress to an ASIC.
    That could run much faster than 133MHZ.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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    > I can't find the Freescale document referenced that post.

    Yes, the link is broken.

    > from tests we have seen that the 'FE133 does not like to run at 133MHz.

    ...and it has neither FPU nor MMU, which contradicts the '68060' marking.
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    Jim wrote:
    Personally, I hope the community's efforts at creating a good FPGA 68K core will progress to an ASIC.
    That could run much faster than 133MHZ.



    I'll second that understatement!

    It would be great for the Classic Amiga community if new 680x0 ASIC's could be funded and produced, which would no doubt lead to new accelerator cards for Commodore Amiga computer models. I'd love to see new replacement motherboards for some of the Commodore Amiga models. Motherboards which also include some newer and faster components, as well as adding a few modern computer technologies.
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    amigadave wrote:...It would be great for the Classic Amiga community if new 680x0 ASIC's could be funded and produced, which would no doubt lead to new accelerator cards for Commodore Amiga computer models...


    ASIC production costs have gone down a bit since we first started this type of conversation.
    I am now seeing firms offering conversion services for FPGA users.

    The added speed would be very useful.
    Now if we can only get the people promising the cores to finish them.
    Like the original masks, they will require further refinement.

    Unlike Motorola, we can't afford to move to dedicated silicon with too many bugs.
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    > I am now seeing firms offering conversion services for FPGA users.

    I remember having seen such service offered as long ago as a decade or so.
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    Jim wrote:
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    amigadave wrote:...It would be great for the Classic Amiga community if new 680x0 ASIC's could be funded and produced, which would no doubt lead to new accelerator cards for Commodore Amiga computer models...


    ASIC production costs have gone down a bit since we first started this type of conversation.
    I am now seeing firms offering conversion services for FPGA users.

    The added speed would be very useful.
    Now if we can only get the people promising the cores to finish them.
    Like the original masks, they will require further refinement.

    Unlike Motorola, we can't afford to move to dedicated silicon with too many bugs.



    This firm is producing real 020's again, would be great if they start churning out 060's again.

    http://blog.rocelec.com/?p=1992#.Vj4kefzLc0M
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    Jim wrote:
    Now if we can only get the people promising the cores to finish them.



    It is the hardest part.
    gunnar von boehn promise super fast 68k many years ago, but after many years of lies and cheating people natami/apollo 68k core is still unfinished.

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    Unlike Motorola, we can't afford to move to dedicated silicon with too many bugs.



    With gunnar von boehn this is really big problem.
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    Video of an A600 display running at 1920x1080 in 16bit colour on an Apollo FPGA core.

    http://www.apollo-core.com/bringup/index2.htm
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    Intuition wrote:
    Video of an A600 display running at 1920x1080 in 16bit colour on an Apollo FPGA core.

    http://www.apollo-core.com/bringup/index2.htm


    The HD video somewhat increases my belief that this exists.
    Interesting choice of picture for the initial display.
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    As You can easily chceck on eab many cpu codes are still not done.
    In 2008 gunnar von boehn present also nice videos.
    Do You remember very nice demo for SuperAGA with plane?
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    Amiga ADoomComparison, A600 Vampire 2 Vs A4000/40 + cybervision3d, both at 640x400

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKVHc0rA-Lo

    Real-time ray tracing demo.
    http://apollo-core.com/bringup/2740x14_dreamscape.mp4
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    > Real-time ray tracing demo.
    > http://apollo-core.com/bringup/2740x14_dreamscape.mp4

    ...in comparison with 80 MHz 68060:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdf2PYb401M
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    amigadave schrieb:
    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    Personally, I hope the community's efforts at creating a good FPGA 68K core will progress to an ASIC.
    That could run much faster than 133MHZ.



    I'll second that understatement!

    It would be great for the Classic Amiga community if new 680x0 ASIC's could be funded and produced, which would no doubt lead to new accelerator cards for Commodore Amiga computer models. I'd love to see new replacement motherboards for some of the Commodore Amiga models. Motherboards which also include some newer and faster components, as well as adding a few modern computer technologies.


    ASIC makes no sense before there is no fully debugged and working apollo core and added chipset with advanced features. For that FPGA is best solution. When it has advanced someday producing ASIC makes more sense.
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Real-time ray tracing demo.
    > http://apollo-core.com/bringup/2740x14_dreamscape.mp4

    ...in comparison with 80 MHz 68060:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdf2PYb401M


    I want a big box CPU slot version and I want it now! :)
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    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    Quote:

    Intuition wrote:
    Video of an A600 display running at 1920x1080 in 16bit colour on an Apollo FPGA core.

    http://www.apollo-core.com/bringup/index2.htm


    The HD video somewhat increases my belief that this exists.
    Interesting choice of picture for the initial display.



    I remember seeing a conversation somewhere that people have actually bought and have their hands on an early Viper board. IIRC maybe even Magnetic has one?

    I really wish there wouldn't be feature creep at this point and he'd just finish a solid 68060 core. If there were anything that temp me to again use physical Amiga again, it would be a hyper fast 060 accelerator.
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    Only $750?
    A bargain.
    And the first reference doesn't say how they are going to manufacture after they run out of wafer stock.

    Weird the old threads that are popping up here.
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    > the first reference doesn't say how they are going to
    > manufacture after they run out of wafer stock.

    The references say that Rochester got "access to full design and test IP", which means they just need to produce/obtain new wafers in the correct process size (320nm in case of latest 68060 revision) and can then use the corresponding chip masks from Freescale/NXP for UV lithography.
    They already list 68020 and 68040 parts as being Rochester-manufactured. Of course, these might still be produced from old-stock wafers. 68030 and 68060 parts still seem to be old Motorola/Freescale stock.

    > Weird the old threads that are popping up here.

    My reason for updating this thread can be seen from reading the respective comment ;-)
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    Obviously you have a better grasp of chip manufacturing than I do.
    Not surprising.

    Again, the pricing only makes sense for the maintenance of vital (irreplaceable) hardware.
    Even FPGAs are competitive against a $750 '060.
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    Addendum:

    >> from tests we have seen that the 'FE133 does not like to run at 133MHz.

    > ...and it has neither FPU nor MMU, which contradicts the '68060' marking.

    Finally after 11 years, from the one who started it all:

    "I have this chip, the 133 print is fake == China invention. I believe the Chip is in reality a 66 or 75MHz
    But the chip can be overclocked up to 100 MHz with a lot love and luck even 110
    "
    https://www.a1k.org/forum/index.php?threads/67982/page-9#post-1371857

    The statement regarding overclocking to 100 or 110 MHz is interesting, considering they once claimed having it running stably at 120 MHz (see comment #75).
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