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    discreetfx,
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    I wouldn't count on Pagestream 5.x coming out in a usable form for MorphOS anytime soon if ever. A word to the wise.


    Not unless he can find someone to do the work for him.
    I don't get it, MUI is not that difficult.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
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    Never underestimate human laziness.
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  • Jim
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Jim
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    Or human stupidity.
    I am begining to realize the sometimes you just have to diy.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    connor
    Posts: 502 from 2007/7/29
    discreetfx,
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    I wouldn't count on Pagestream 5.x coming out in a usable form for MorphOS anytime soon if ever. A word to the wise.

    which also goes for discreetfx products as it has been proven for many years. ooops!
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  • Butterfly
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    connor : i totaly agree with you !
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    @conner

    The one Deron was working on! Yes you are correct!
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >> I wouldn't count on Pagestream 5.x coming out in a usable form for MorphOS anytime
    >> soon if ever. A word to the wise.

    > Not unless he can find someone to do the work for him.

    Good news:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6311&forum=9&start=26
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  • Order of the Butterfly
    Order of the Butterfly
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    Over nine years ago this was suppose to ship in about a month.


    https://morph.zone/modules/news/article_storyid_501.html


    Here's hoping!

    [ Edited by discreetfx 10.08.2013 - 00:59 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Double post removed.

    [ Edited by discreetfx 10.08.2013 - 00:56 ]
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    Addendum:

    >>> I wouldn't count on Pagestream 5.x coming out in a usable form for MorphOS anytime
    >>> soon if ever. A word to the wise.

    >> Not unless he can find someone to do the work for him.

    > Good news:
    > https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6311&forum=9&start=26

    "I spoke to Deron a week or 2 ago and he said he was currently working on a MorphOS specific version of Pagestream 5"
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9585&forum=16&start=23
  • »06.10.13 - 01:15
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  • Jim
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Posts: 4855 from 2009/1/28
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    Uh, even Tedd doesn't trust Deron anymore.
    Why would you guys believe him?

    Besides, MUI is not that difficult to learn.
    Any competent programmer ought to be able to adapt to it.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1134 from 2003/2/15
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    Jim,
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    Besides, MUI is not that difficult to learn. Any competent programmer ought to be able to adapt to it.


    When you develop software for a living, you decide on what new technologies to learn based on how much revenue they will generate for you and not how easy it would be to adopt them.

    Pagestream is a commercial application and one would assume that most development is focused on those platforms that generate most sales.

    (That being said, DiscreetFX gave me a copy of Pagestream for Windows a few years back and it was literally the least stable Windows application I have ever used. In the end, I used a free copy of OpenOffice instead...)
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  • Jim
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    >That being said...

    I've seen some of Deron's source code...

    >...literally the least stable Windows application I have ever used

    That does not surprise me.

    Thanks Andre, you have put a grin on my face on a dreary rainy day.

    What you MorphOS developers do, for the most part purely for the joy of it, makes what many "professional" programmers produce look quite shabby.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
  • »06.10.13 - 20:26
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10448 from 2003/5/22
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    Update:

    > "I spoke to Deron a week or 2 ago and he said he was currently working on a
    > MorphOS specific version of Pagestream 5
    "
    > https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9585&forum=16&start=23

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11382&forum=3&start=47
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Yasu
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    Pagestream 5 was demoed at Neuss. I didn't try it much but it seemed to work well enough at this point.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    polluks
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    Quote:

    Yasu schrieb:
    Pagestream 5 was demoed at Neuss. I didn't try it much but it seemed to work well enough at this point.

    I didn't know this port!

    Different types of PR
    Gorky 17: big hype
    PageStream 5: big silence
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    @polluks

    Very true. The red camp are good with hype. The blue camp are good with silently getting things to just work :-)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    NewSense
    Posts: 766 from 2012/11/10
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    I seem to remember a whisper that Frank might assist Deron to achieve a fully working MorphOS port of Pagestream v5.x.x.x, which is of course fantastic news if it really becomes reality for us all.

    I am a lot more optimistic of this actually happening now, thanks Frank, and Deron. :bloons:
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    walkero
    Posts: 49 from 2006/3/1
    Hello guys,
    Are there any news for Pagestream? Is it ready to be released or abandoned?
    Is there a possibility to see the updates to other systems like AmigaOS 3 and 4?
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    NewSense
    Posts: 766 from 2012/11/10
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    I sent a message to Support at PageStream only a few days ago .... but .... I haven't heard back from Deron as yet, as he's probably out running his "Husky" or other dog pack, or just taking care of the dogs that he and his wife breed, at this time of year - Deron and Marna Kazmaier - South Dakota

    Sadly, I don't think Deron's "heart" is in programming PageStream any more, for ANY platform. I really wish it was, but the heady days of frantic activity on the Amiga, though I can't speak for other supported (PageStream hibernating) platforms, are long gone it seems.

    It really is a favourite program that I still use, though it has to be PageStream v4.1.5.6 Pro as the later releases (5.x.x.x) are just too flaky, for any of the OS platforms you might use and buy PageStream for. That said, I believe you can still buy v4.1.5.6 for the Amiga, which is still a very useful program, but there are so many other OS's with so many other DTP or at least comprehensive WordProcessor packages you could use that it would be hard for Deron to work up the enthusiasm to get "back in the saddle" and finish v5.x.x.x to everyone's satisfaction - even if it was only for the Amiga.

    I think there are not as many Windows, Mac, or Linux customers, unless they had to take a Windows or another version of PageStream v5.x.x.x while the Amiga v5 was so unuseable initially. The offer of the side-migration to another OS than the Amiga was a temporary step to be able to use a better, more stable, version than the Amiga v5, which never, so far, has got useable. I took up that option, but even the Windows version 5.x.x.x was too flaky even for me, so I returned to v4.1.5.6 Pro.

    Overall, after I had paid for v5 (Windows-migrated from OS3+OS4) I found it to be of very little use/stability on any platform and so it is mothballed, to all intents and purposes, probably in perpetuity.

    If I hear back from Deron with any news on PageStream I will update this thread, but don't hold your breath !! Likewise if anyone else hears from Deron with such news then I would like to hear about anything positive.
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  • Cocoon
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    walkero
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    @NewSense
    Thank you for your reply. How possible do you think it would be to persuade him to opensource the code? This way, if anyone would like to work on that will be able to do so, fix the bugs of v5 and add new features. This is the only solution I see to save that application.

    I sent him as well an email a couple of days ago. Let's hope he will reply and be positive to open source it.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    tolkien
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    Or perhaps an option to buy the source code as did with Dopus with a bounty.
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