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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 24.04.2011 - 07:10 ]

That comparison is flawed, since you're comparing a not yet available machine (where the cpu is still unknown) against a particular model of mac supported by MorphOS (and not the best one). You could indeed have picked Mac mini, or even PowerBook G4 or PowerMac G4 instead of eMac then, since availability isn't an element that matters in your comparison (and their performance is roughly the same or sometimes better, and without CRT). Also, you can put more than 512MB in an eMac (at least 1GB, maybe even 2).

Regarding your questions, they obviously can't be answered. The machine specifications alone (which we haven't) aren't enough. The quality and optimization of the OS matters a lot too, obviously. Also, we don't have a crystal ball telling us how much Timberwolf will be completed by then, how buggy/stable OS4 will be on X1000 and so on... But if you want answers based on what we can verify now, we can throw blunt facts like Quake3 running at 100 fps on eMac against 4 fps on x1000. How fair do you think it is? :)


[ Edited by Fab on 2010/6/24 3:46 ]

...one is here now. Anything else is pure speculation.

ah.. too slow..

[ Edited by Golem on 2010/6/24 4:38 ]

PowerMac/MorphOS vs X1000/OS4 could be more interesting.

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[ Edited by Velcro_SP 24.04.2011 - 07:09 ]

@Velcro

Well, it's still mainly speculation, especially without even knowing the precise CPU. But let's assume the X1000 CPU will be twice as fast as a G4@1.5GHz... Even then, benchmarks in 3d or video/mplayer area show they might still lose the comparison, even with a twice as fast computer. :)

> MorphOS expanded its Mac compatibility to the second-hand eMac with
> 700 MHz to 1.42 GHz CPU, 128 to 512 megs RAM

Only 1.25 GHz (1.0 GHz educational variant), up to 2 GiB RAM.

> the cpu is still unknown

Unconfirmed: yes. Unknown: no.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&start=200#74061

Upgrade a Mdd to a 1.8 or 2.0 Ghz 7448 test it against an early X100o (that hasn't had time to get all its software optimized) and MorphOS won't look that bad.

Now, if Applied Micro was more forthcoming, may be we could consider moving to a Titan based system and level this playing field.

[ Edited by Jim on 2010/6/24 15:28 ]

[ Edited by Jim on 2010/6/24 15:28 ]

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Put a clever operating system, that only does the things you want, on that rocketship's cockpit, and get ready for the blast off...

Hey, could we ask Apple politely for the schematics and bill of materials to their abandoned PowerPC Mac Mini, tweak them to our taste, send them to China, and have them built in the hundreds for peanuts? What? The factory only accepts orders for 1000+ units? Oh well...

I agree completemy with Fab: No matter how fast your engine runs, it takes a good driver to go fast in the track.

> Upgrade a Mdd to a 1.8 or 2.0 Ghz 7448

MDD can only be upgraded up to (dual) 1.8 GHz 7447A.

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I believe I know of a way to get that upgrade to overcloack slightly.

very difficult question.

OS4 running Timberwolf and Abiword under X11 on Pegasos is not very slow so we can think this applications will run at a confortable speed on X1000 regardless to X11 weight and non hardware acceleration.

So, my point on view is X1000 "will be" better for wordprocessing (Abiword and maybe OpenOffice 4 kids) and maybe for internet, but MorphOS have a big chance to be better on 3D gaming, and video playback.
We have to remembre the fact Morphos have a very good internet browser and we dont need something like Timberwolf.

The only thing missing at this time on morphos is an Office suite with a real wordprocessor managing all file formats.

The sad X11 solution on AmigaOS4 is better than nothing on MorphOS.

I regret the lost of Papyrus.

[ Edited by serge on 2010/6/25 9:49 ]

Quake 3 at 4fps on X1000 is with the "fps on screen method" (in the first room of the game).. eMac/Mac mini G4 don't reach 100 fps with this method.

I think it's stupid to compare the ultra optimised Quake3 MorphOS version and the AmigaOS4 version on X1000 with lot of debug outputs activated and PCIe ATI Radeon R700 graphic drivers under developement.

The only real X1000 problem is the price around 1800 euros.

The price will be the X1000 killer and there's not another reason to dont trust on X1000.

They cant sold the machine at this price. It's totaly unrealistic. There's only few rich persons able to buy it and Amiga community is very smal and closed.
They think about selling it to proffessional world, but AmigaOS4 dont have anything proffessional. The only proffessionnal software supported on AmigaOS4 is MUIbase and this application runs lot faster on an Intel 300 euros PC.

Which applications will they sell to proffessionnal world? Deluxpaint IV? old LightWave? Protracker or Octamed?

Oups, maybe OpenOffice for kids and Firefox. Hemmm they are free on other systems running with memory protection, ressource tracking blabla blabla.

It's the suicide of the best hardware planned since last 25 years.

[ Edited by serge on 2010/6/25 12:00 ]

>>> Upgrade a Mdd to a 1.8 or 2.0 Ghz 7448

>> MDD can only be upgraded up to (dual) 1.8 GHz 7447A.

> I believe I know of a way to get that upgrade to overcloack slightly.

But I guess you won't exchange the 7447A for a 7448, will you? ;-)

> Which applications will they sell to proffessionnal world? Deluxpaint IV?
> old LightWave? Protracker or Octamed?

Is OS4 able to run this software easily at all?

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Better say it's unfair advantage... Which immediately takes me back to one of the first Amiga press adverts:

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/adverts/creatad1.jpg

Couldn't resist!

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If you mean that this is the best hardware in the past 25 years... I think much more interesting hardware has been designed since then. As a bothering example, take Microsoft's XBox 360. You don't even have to abandon PowerPC space.

The new version, jsut on sale now, has a new chip with the CPU, the GPU (!) and the RAM (!!!) all stacked in the same component! Such a moster is selling for peanuts. Indeed you're right about seeking markets first.

Can I have the MorphOS logo on a Microsoft branded device? Pleeeee...

> I think much more interesting hardware has been designed since then.
> As a bothering example, take Microsoft's XBox 360.

But that hardware is closed. In order to bring AmigaOS/MorphOS to it you'd have to apply a hardware hack and must not have a firmware newer than a certain version/revision. So I don't think the XBox 360 is relevant in terms of potential hardware for AmigaOS or MorphOS.

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sorry, but this is not the subject.
We are discussing about hardware made or supported by AmigaOS and MorphOS and not about all the f.cking machines all other the world.
If you want an Xbox360 instead of a Powermac or X1000, I would like to have a PS3


Sorry, but X1000 "on the paper specs" is the best hardware for Amiga since the begining. This is the truth and nothing more.

@Serge

of course it's stupid to compare it, but Velcro asked for a comparison, and that's the only verifiable fact we can actually give right now. He just shouldn't have asked this question, and AEon should never have shown this in the first place, especially when the one of the main AEon associates told several years ago: "You only make a first impression once." :)

The thing is we don't know how optimized the R700 driver will be (or even if there will be one at release). And Warp3d/MiniGL/driver performance might still make it worse for the X1000, even if it should in theory be much faster.

[ Edited by Fab on 2010/6/25 16:27 ]

fab: agree with you.

All I know is that MorphOS on this eMac 1.25ghz machine is amazing. Just saving up for a license. The X1000 will be very good I know but have not tried OS4 and I cannot afford the price of an X1000 so the answer is there I guess. eMac all the way between the two for me.

Sorry, but X1000 "on the paper specs" is the best hardware for Amiga since the begining.

You can write everything on paper. Validity of what is written is another story.