What Genesi has to do now ...
  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2720 from 2003/2/24
    ... in the short term (during the coming *few* months) is to:

    1. Make some investments in *real* MOL development. OpenGL/3D accelleration support and all other stuff must work. A live-cd that functions as a no-hassle installer for MacOS. Just put the live-cd in, boot, and the installation of MacOS begins, on the top of a slimmed down and for the purpose optimized Linux setup, containing everything needed but no bloat.

    2. A faster CPU card, pronto! At least Mac Mini speed.

    3. Get the Directron.com deal going, and make them see the potential of raking in Apple Defectors/PPC refugees. Convince them to invest in marketing. Perhaps even design a custom and exclusive Pegasos "Mac" case for the purpose?


    And in the mid term (end of summer/fall):

    4. Release an updated motherboard design that will fulfill all needs of a desktop user, with a couple of PCI-Express slots, fast FSB and memory performance, USB2, S-ATA and all the bells and whistles.

    5. Find ways of making the production a lot cheaper, cut costs and lower the price. Did something useful come out from the China deal regarding this?

    6. The idea with a custom case (Pegasos exclusive) is growing on me as I'm typing this! :-) And a custom keyboard as well perhaps. It would be cool if it would appeal to both Mac and Amiga users in some way (people who thinks a little different ;-)).


    Comments? :-)
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  • »06.06.05 - 20:29
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    itix
    Posts: 1520 from 2003/2/24
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    Well... want honest answer?

    Ok.

    Why not forget redblue hype? :)
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    takemehomegrandma
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    Quote:


    itix wrote:
    Well... want honest answer?

    Ok.


    Oh, please restrain yourself, it's very difficult to handle over-comprehensive comments like that! :-P ;-)

    Quote:

    Why not forget redblue hype? :)


    :-?
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  • Just looking around
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    Why investing in MOL ????
    When you need an MacOS then buy a Mac...

    Investing in MOS develoopement software and update!
    Create or buy software for us!
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    Posts: 126 from 2003/2/17
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    why not simply concentrate in improving OF to run MAC OS X natively ?
    Pegasos rulez since august 2002
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    antibike
    Posts: 112 from 2003/3/5
    From: Germany / Sachsen
    lo

    i realy dont know why the most ppl think that this is a chance for the pegasos.
    all the current mac users allready have a well working PPC system and dont need another one.
    and now where apple announced to go x86 ... where is the need for a PPC system where you can "emulate" macOS per MOL.

    there is no new chance, it will go on like before. Pegasos for MorphOS and Linux users.
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    SoundSquare
    Posts: 1213 from 2004/12/1
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    Does Linux PPC has a future without the Mac PPC machines ? Why would Debian, Gentoo and others keep working on Linux PPC now ? Only for Pegasos and the few other PPC machines left ?
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    takemehomegrandma
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    Quote:


    CptBLOOD wrote:
    Why investing in MOL ????


    Well, my thought was about the possibility of perhaps attracting (in a fairly easy way) at least *some* of the MacOS users that simply refuse the x86 idea, and doing this through Directron (it could mean some motivation for them?). Because believe it or not, there are quite a few of those. Not *everyone* care, that's for sure, but some does!

    But perhaps that is a bad idea, I don't know. It would have to require at least Mac mini specifications though (Pegasos is *more* than the Mac Mini in most aspects, except when it comes to the CPU power), while at the same time having a price that reflects the specifications, in Mac terms.

    But perhaps it's better to create something new instead? Has anyone visited http://www.morphos-news.de recently? What does that message mean?

    However, regardless of whether anyone should try to win over some confused Mac souls or not, something is desperately needed on the CPU front. *Nothing* has happened with Pegasos CPU power sinse the day the Pegasos 2 was released 1.5 years ago. That's a long time ...
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  • »07.06.05 - 10:21
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    FALCON1 wrote:
    why not simply concentrate in improving OF to run MAC OS X natively ?


    I'm not sure, but wouldn't that involve writing drivers and/or patch MacOS itself more than it would involve "improving OF"?
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
    MorphOS NG will be AROS done right! :-)
  • »07.06.05 - 10:22
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    takemehomegrandma
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    antibike wrote:

    there is no new chance, it will go on like before. Pegasos for MorphOS and Linux users.



    Freescale has indeed an interesting roadmap ahead, and the MPC7448/MPC8641(D) should be next up. Especially the MPC8641D will make a fairly good alternative desktop platform, IMHO.

    But what comes after that? It would be interesting to hear some more long term plans from Freescale, the generation coming *after* the upcoming generation ...

    Edit: Maybe more info at the FTF event?

    [ Edited by takemehomegrandma on 2005/6/7 10:30 ]
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  • »07.06.05 - 10:29
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    SoundSquare wrote:
    Does Linux PPC has a future without the Mac PPC machines ? Why would Debian, Gentoo and others keep working on Linux PPC now ? Only for Pegasos and the few other PPC machines left ?


    This is what Yellow Dog say:

    Three main points:
    1) We remain a Linux development company with 100% focus on the Power
    Architecture (IBM, Freescale). We will not transition to support an x86/ia64
    architecture.


    2) Terra Soft remains in good standing with Apple. Their announcement does not
    immediately affect our ability to sell nor support Apple PowerPC hardware.
    Nor does it affect our ability to support non-Apple Power Architecture
    offerings. Things are already in motion to enable a world of greater Power
    Architecture diversity.


    3) Based upon feeback to today's news, we expect Y-HPC to gain an even greater
    userbase with existing Apple Xserve users. Y-HPC offers a Linux OS to help
    bridge x86/ia64 and PowerPC clusters, reducing effort in code migration and
    administration.


    LINK

    It would be interesting to hear some words from the newly elected Gento PPC Strategic Lead on this matter, "our" David Holm! :-)

    And also some public statements from Sven Luther would be nice! :-)
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  • »07.06.05 - 10:34
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    itix
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    This is simply boring. B-O-R-I-N-G

    Apple going to x86 changes nothing in short term. Nothing. Mac users dont care what CPU they are using and they will migrate to x86 when their old hw dies.

    Only difference is that PPC desktop becomes obsolete in long term.
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    Gelb
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    @itix

    I can imagine there is an unknown percentage of users using Apple hardware just because it is explicitely not x86. Linux folks comes to mind for example.

    It might be an opportunity to care for these users and offer them something which has a future and which they can continue to use once their h/w breaks or is not up to date anymore.

    [ Edited by Gelb on 2005/6/7 16:42 ]
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    DJBase
    Posts: 744 from 2003/4/6
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    They have now the chance to catch 2 groups with the Pegasos - Mac-Freaks who wants a PowerPC and there is also AmigaOS4 which has now no real hardware. The Pegasos could be the solution for both.
    Mac mini, PowerPC G4 1.5 GHz, ATI Radeon 9200 64 MB, 1 GB RAM, 80 GB HDD, MorphOS 3.18
    PowerBook, PowerPC G4 1.67 GHz, ATI Radeon 9700 128 MB, 2 GB RAM, 250 GB mSATA HDD, MorphOS 3.18
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    AyoS
    Posts: 410 from 2003/8/13
    From: West Palm Beac...
    What about the Pegasos 2.5 Development boards?
    I would think that that would be a huge step in the
    right direction, at least in the short term... Does anyone
    have any Idea when these will be commercially available?
    Are we waiting for the official release of the 7448?

    Although My Peg is great, I would love to see Genesi Marketing the new
    board, with its faster frontside bus, Ram Speed, and CPU.
    Hopefully we will see something by the end of the summer or whenever
    Freescale begins volume production of the 7448.

    Food for thought?

    katos1
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  • Leo
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    Posts: 417 from 2003/8/18
    >Only difference is that PPC desktop becomes obsolete in long term.

    And it is a real problem...

    Leo.
    Nothing hurts a project more than developers not taking the time to let their community know what is going on.
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  • Targhan
    Posts: 2833 from 2003/2/8
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    I concur with Gelb, and the server upon which MorphZone lives is a fine example of his arguement. MorphZone is running on a NetBSD powered Mac, because the admin doesn't want to run x86.

    as far as the topic itself, how about a $799 ODW? Well, I think it's a good start!
    :idea:Targhan

    MorphOS portal? www.MorphZone.org
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    Tronman
    Posts: 209 from 2003/3/3
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    Targ, is that the Mac I sent you the k/b and mouse for :-) ?

    If so, there are 128meg sticks on sale for it at $17.98 at
    www.otherworldcomputing.com, a popular Mac upgrade site. That box has
    eight slots, it can take a gig of RAM :-D That, an eBay reflashed
    Radeon 7000 and cheap G3=Mac OS X Tiger! Short of massive 3D gaming,
    this would now be a great little Mac box for most uses. Like my Mac
    clone :-)
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    macsrule
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    Well, my thought was about the possibility of perhaps attracting (in a fairly easy way) at least *some* of the MacOS users that simply refuse the x86 idea,


    like me, and at least three other mac users i know personally.
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