The CPU speeds in the poll was listed at Freescales website for the
7447A processor. Another way of looking at this poll is from the
performance vs active or passive cooling solution I guess. The 7447A
is cooler by default than the 7447, running at similar clock
frequency. But it can also reach performance levels where it probably
isn't exactly cool as ice anymore. So which is most important? Most
extreme power or most extreme silence?

I like the silence-option still I voted for
the 1.4 ... there are many solutions for cooling
with near to no noise.
Guess I'll put an order for it asap as it's
clear it is supported by MorphOS and available.
For my second Peg I'll wait for a dual-card where
I dont think this is needed with MOS, but will make
a difference for Linux.
(I really hope we will see those cards!)

@ Robin

I agree with you. I always liked the silence of the Peg. But as you
say, there are lots of ways of achieving silent cooling, and the Power
from a 1.4GHz would indeed be a good thing to have! This is how fast a
single PPC CPU can get today. It's the top of the hill, at least until
the 7448 CPU becomes available to the masses (not involving the "G5"
which is somewhat a different architecture)! Power maxed out! But
what would a beast like this cost, one might ask? Nah, it wouldn't
matter, I would buy it anyway!

I think that maybe multiple models would be good. for instance a 1000
or 1267mhz model to be a direct replacement for the current cpucard (
but with less heat,) and a 1420 which would give more performance...
then maybe this time next year a 7448 single card @ 1500mhz+

Speed is more important I'd say if you're trying to target outside of the Pegasos's target niche. When I decided to get one everyone thought I was stupid to get a "slow" computer when I could get a 3 GHz Intel-based machine instead. Other people didn't believe that it could actually remain as cool and quiet as it is without overheating.

My next system will be G5 or Cell(G6?!?!) ....

I voted for 600MHz.

There was already a lot of interest in the G3/600
board, mainly because of the cheap price. If
something similar (~299eur + VAT) would be
possible with a G4 card I'm sure there would be
some interest there too. Most people won't buy a
new board for 500eur "just for testing".

@ katos1

Sure, a "bouquet" of CPU options would be great. That is also one of the points with having replacable CPU cards. Freescale would perhaps also see this as interesting; the Pegasos as a platform for their customers to evaluate the different Freescale PPC CPU's, who knows?

But one has also keep in mind that economy of scale is important. Perhaps there can be several steps in product offerings regarding price/performance, but I don't think they can be too close to each other. Then they will only sell low volumes of many options, which in many cases would be worse than to have fewer options with more distinct differences, and channel the customers to any of these instead (to pump up the volume on those fewer options a bit)?

I can see a point in offering a very low power, very low cost option. Especially if we are talking about thin clients. I may be wrong here but according to my own experiences from thin clients, they rarely aim to replace a full-blown desktop workstation. I have mostly seen thin clients as Internet café applications, information kiosks, etc. Simpler stuff that won't need *a lot* of horce power, but where noise and reliability (no fan) and price (low cost) would be of greater importance? So a very cheap 600MHz CPU card could perhaps find a spot in the CPU card bouquet. Which also raises the question why the IBM G3 is still there? Both the 7447 and 7447A CPU's from Freescale are available in 600MHz versions. With Altivec!

I can of course see a point in also offering top-of-the-line performance. The latest and fastest CPU available, for desktop power users, servers etc. Price/cost is expected to be higher here, but those who need it will buy it as long as they see it as a fair enough deal. It's also a feather in the hat for a technology company to be able to show off a flagship.

So if only two options for CPU cards are to be available, I would suggest a 600MHz G4 (scrap the G3) for low power, low heat and low cost applications, and a 1.42GHz G4 for power users or anyone feeling that 600MHz won't do.

If three options for CPU cards are to be available, I would suggest the current 1GHz to be included in the bouquet as well. Three CPU's, each with it's own significant differencies from the others and in their areas of use, 400MHz steps in between them, and Altivec all the way.

I would not suggest a fourth option, unless that is a dual CPU card with 2x 1.42GHz CPU's (dual CPU's are for real power users, and building a pair of anything less than the most powerful CPU's available is nothing but a waste of the concept).

all i need for now, and before a CPU card, is a proper bargain for an upgrade for my Peg I to a Peg 2. *sighs*

I would recommend a choice of different cpu cards:

- a real cheap one (600 - 800 Mhz NB or LB)
- a cool one (1 ghz+ with energy saving NB chip)
- a maximum computing one (highest available clock rate, may be the more energy needing LB version)

Et voilá - everyone would be happy!

@ GothOtaku

Yeah I see your point. But it's not like the 3000MHz x86 CPU's are
best and most suited for *all* things, you know?

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Besides, some operating systems fly more than others!

@ Zylesea

Totally agree!

Hello guys,

Be aware of the fsb frequency. My first post was about fsb and people answered that it is not possible to switch it from 133.33 mhz to 166.66 mhz. So with fsb at 133.33 mhz we could have a processor clocked at 1.4 ghz or 1.46 ghz.

Brumiga

Quote:

You "pegged" my preference there

I had to vote 1420 because there was no faster option

Dont know if this poll is a good idea right after a new bochs came out. I voted for the 1.42 Ghz version

Can I ask what is probably a stupid and obvious question, but which Id like to know the answer for non-the-less...?

The MHz setting for these cards....how is it achieved? I'm just thinking of the crystals we had on the Apollo 040/060 cards. Simply replace an 60MHz crystal (which would be an 040/30) with an 80MHz crystal to make the card an 040/40.

I take it that with G4's et al it is not as simple as that?

Its just that if it WERE as simple as that then things would be a LOT easier and cheaper both for freescale/Genesi and the customer.

ONE board is produced, and then whoever is processing the customers order just has to drop the relevant crystal onto the motherboard! Upgrading then also becomes a piece of cake as you only have to order a new crystal!!

But then I bet its not as simple as that....:(


BTW - I'd go mid-range. 1000MHz, a nice speed, with minimal heat.

Bifford.

Fastest of course!

As fast as possible, I think the peg at least should out pefrom minimac or I have trouble to sea why people like me, which try to find a new plattfrom should chose a Peg.

BTW, there's an interesting thread on pegasosforum about overclocking the G4 card running @1264 MHz.

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[ Edited by pOS on 2005/2/11 13:17 ]

whats the goal of this poll ? it wont have any impact on what we
will be able to buy since we all know morphos community is
unimportant and doesnt drive the sales ;)

@jah
then I really expect fastest possible G4

overclocking Pegasos
Wonder what a 7447A would run at and what cooling it would need?
Watercooled at 2Ghz perhaps?

A Mac-accelerators runs it at 1,7Ghz:
http://gigadesigns.com/products7A1617U.html
even 1,8Ghz in the dualcpu module
http://gigadesigns.com/products7AD1418U.html