Tips to buy one PowerMac G5
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Templario
    Posts: 469 from 2012/4/28
    Hello MorphOs fans, I have this question for you, some tips to buy one PowerMac G5, because in the second hand market there are available these machines but we must remember that were manufactured in 2007-2008, and there are three CPUs, 1.6-1.8-2 Ghz.
    Thanks you for your answers.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11720 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > manufactured in 2007-2008

    2003-2006, actually.

    > there are three CPUs, 1.6-1.8-2 Ghz.

    Three CPUs (970, 970FX, 970MP) with various clock speeds each, actually:

    970: 1.6, 1.8, 2.0
    970FX: 1.8, 2.0, 2.3, 2.5, 2.7
    970MP: 2.0, 2.3, 2.5
  • »10.11.22 - 10:11
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2099 from 2003/2/24
    If possible go for 2.3 GHz

    Either the dual CPU AGP the fastest air cooled fully supported

    Or dual core PCIe fastest air cooled of the „unsupported“ ones
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Amigaharry2
    Posts: 1052 from 2010/1/6
    From: EU-Austria (Wien)
    I use 1.8, 2.0, 2.3 G5 - don't see a significant difference in MorphOS-every-day use. Some differnces may be when rendering (Blender, etc.) and other CPU-intensive programs.
    I don't want to have a watercooled G5 - 2.3GHz is the last air-cooled model - it's safer........

    Firmware of older G5 (think ~<5.18.f7) allows to use PMacs with only one CPU - which works pritty good under Morphos (needs less energy, produces less heat (also on NorthBridge) and you can safe 1 CPU for spare.
    MacOS is also running with only 1 CPU.
    Peg2, 3xPowerMac G5, 2xPowerbookG4, 2x MacMiniG4, Efika (again), A3000T and life is never boring.....
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Amigaharry2
    Posts: 1052 from 2010/1/6
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    No, not really - idling CPU nevertheless consumes energy (gets warm and can measure more energy consumtion - about 50-60[W]). And as a interessting side effect: If 2nd CPU is installed, also Northbridge gets much hotter, whether CPU is idling or not.
    I tried to kill 1 CPU in OpenFirmware - but makes no difference.
    I've seen this behaviour on my 1.8GHz and on 2.3 GHz, which has an older motherbord from a 1.8GHz machine (yes, that works too! FSB goes up form 800MHz to 1,15GHz)
    My newer 2.0 GHz and 2nd 2.3GHz won't work with only one CPU.
    Peg2, 3xPowerMac G5, 2xPowerbookG4, 2x MacMiniG4, Efika (again), A3000T and life is never boring.....
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11720 from 2003/5/22
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    >> ...or simply use MorphOS 3.10 or newer, which disables the unused CPU ;-)

    > No, not really - idling CPU nevertheless consumes energy

    Yes, an idling CPU consumes energy, of course, but as far as I understand, a disabled CPU is disabled, not idling. If you say "disabled" means idling, then what did the 2nd CPU do from MorphOS 3.2, which introduced G5 support, through MorphOS 3.9? What's the difference regarding the 2nd G5 CPU between MorphOS 3.2-3.9 and MorphOS 3.10-3.17? If it's simply idling like before, then what's the point in having it disabled since MorphOS 3.10?

    > I tried to kill 1 CPU in OpenFirmware - but makes no difference.

    Yes, this was discussed in the linked thread. Setting the "boot-args" variable in OpenFirmware to "cpus=1" is not affecting OpenFirmware itself but just Mac OS X.
  • »10.11.22 - 19:21
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    matt3
    Posts: 481 from 2004/2/10
    As others have recommended the 2.3 is probably the best for just getting going. You still may want to pull the heatsinks and give in a good cleaning and put new silver on the CPU.

    If you are handy, you can get either the 2.7 (Dual Core) or 2.5 (Quad Core). It will make a difference if you want to play videos with playback. My 2.7 is noticeably faster than my 2.3 with playing HD content. Get a fast card like a 1950 that also helps. You should pick up a donor 2.0 system to move the heatsinks over and delete the liquid cooling. I just did mine based on the videos and it worked perfectly.

    The speed of these systems is really impressive. Good luck!
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Amigaharry2
    Posts: 1052 from 2010/1/6
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    All I can say is, after installing MOS 3.10 (? I think it was 3.10...), that CPU 2 always runs about 20°C lower then CPU 1. Before both CPUs always had nearly same temperature (+/- 2°C)

    To come back to Templarios question: In my opinion you can take any type of G5. It doesn't make a huge difference in every day use. Even Wayfarer isn't noticable slower on a1.8GHz (compared to 2.3GHz).
    If you really need CPU-power for extensive application, take the 2.7GHz-version or 2.3GHz version to prevent all troubles with watercooling.
    Be sure, that there is a supported grafic-card (Radeon!) built in. Take a look at MOS hardwarecompatibilitylist.
    Peg2, 3xPowerMac G5, 2xPowerbookG4, 2x MacMiniG4, Efika (again), A3000T and life is never boring.....
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11720 from 2003/5/22
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    > CPU 2 always runs about 20°C lower then CPU 1.
    > Before both CPUs always had nearly same temperature

    So when unused/idling CPU 2 had the same temperature as used CPU 1, how can CPU 2 still be simply idling as before and being significantly cooler at the same time? This doesn't make sense to me. Anyway, I'll ask for details in the other thread in the hope that the MorphOS team will clarify that note found in the MorphOS 3.10 release notes.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Templario
    Posts: 469 from 2012/4/28
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    Andreas_Wolf escribió:
    > manufactured in 2007-2008

    2003-2006, actually.

    > there are three CPUs, 1.6-1.8-2 Ghz.

    Three CPUs (970, 970FX, 970MP) with various clock speeds each, actually:

    970: 1.6, 1.8, 2.0
    970FX: 1.8, 2.0, 2.3, 2.5, 2.7
    970MP: 2.0, 2.3, 2.5

    Thank you for your information, I don't know these different CPUs.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    ThePlayer
    Posts: 1057 from 2003/3/24
    From: Hamburg/Germany
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    Templario schrieb:
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    Andreas_Wolf escribió:
    > manufactured in 2007-2008

    2003-2006, actually.

    > there are three CPUs, 1.6-1.8-2 Ghz.

    Three CPUs (970, 970FX, 970MP) with various clock speeds each, actually:

    970: 1.6, 1.8, 2.0
    970FX: 1.8, 2.0, 2.3, 2.5, 2.7
    970MP: 2.0, 2.3, 2.5

    Thank you for your information, I don't know these different CPUs.



    I would say go for the not 100% supported PowerMac G5 11,2. You will have less headache using newer GFX Cards. I switched from an aircooled G5 2,7ghz to an G5 Quad with 2,5 Ghz with PCI-e and have a Radeon 4550 installed. So i can use the HDMI Port to connect my ultrawide 34" 3440x1440p Monitor to use the full resolution. And afaik the DDR2 Ram will speed Wayfarer and MPlayer up.
    PowerMac G5 Quad 2.5 running UWQHD Resolution
  • »11.11.22 - 11:25
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2725 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    The PCIe G5 is great, but has two caveats:

    - You need a PCIE RTL network card since we have no support for the dual network chip that comes with this model
    - You need to keep the NVidia card around (best inside if you happen to have the single slot card) since that's the only way to access OpenFirmware, unless you are lucky enough to find an Apple X1950 card (rare and expensive).

    [ Edited by jacadcaps 11.11.2022 - 15:01 ]
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11720 from 2003/5/22
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    > Apple X1950 card (rare and expensive)

    That would be X1900 GT. I remember reports of cheap AtomBIOS Radeon X19x0 cards working with OS X and OpenFirmware when flashed with the PPC ROM of the Apple X1900 GT.
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    LazarX
    Posts: 7 from 2020/4/30
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    Templario wrote:
    Hello MorphOs fans, I have this question for you, some tips to buy one PowerMac G5, because in the second hand market there are available these machines but we must remember that were manufactured in 2007-2008, and there are three CPUs, 1.6-1.8-2 Ghz.
    Thanks you for your answers.



    It's extremely important that you go to the hardware compatibility page the only version of the G5 that is fully supported is the 7,2 version and it must have a Radeon card for graphics.

    I've personally found that the intended boot hard drive must be in the connector associated with the lower position.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11720 from 2003/5/22
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    > go to the hardware compatibility page the only version of the G5
    > that is fully supported is the 7,2 version

    "Only PowerMac 7,2 and PowerMac7,3 (A1047) are fully supported." (emphasis mine)
    https://www.morphos-team.net/hardware
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Templario
    Posts: 469 from 2012/4/28
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    Andreas_Wolf escribió:
    > go to the hardware compatibility page the only version of the G5
    > that is fully supported is the 7,2 version

    "Only PowerMac 7,2 and PowerMac7,3 (A1047) are fully supported." (emphasis mine)
    https://www.morphos-team.net/hardware


    I have already purchased the PowerMac G5 to play and surf the internet.
    Now waiting in a next MorphOS gives support to dual core and the 4GB of memory.
  • »23.11.22 - 09:59
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