[I got one] Wanted: Efika 5200B
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
    Posts: 185 from 2019/5/9
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    Do somebody have spare Efika 5200B, which takes too much space in his computer room?

    [ Edited by sailor 14.03.2021 - 11:17 ]
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2789 from 2006/3/21
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    Quote:

    sailor wrote:
    Do somebody have spare Efika 5200B, which takes too much space in his computer room?


    I have one in a moving box somewhere in my home or garage, but finding it is going to be hard since my "woman friend" has moved in with all of her things mostly still in moving boxes as well, and most of my things are buried. It's shameful how much "crap" people accumulate in their life time, and more shameful that they are so hesitant to let it go once they pass a certain age.

    If I can find it, I'll gladly sell it to you, but chances of finding it before the end of the year are very small.
    MorphOS - The best Next Gen Amiga choice.
  • »05.12.20 - 16:02
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
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    amigadave wrote:
    I have one in a moving box somewhere in my home or garage, but finding it is going to be hard since my "woman friend" has moved in with all of her things mostly still in moving boxes as well, and most of my things are buried. It's shameful how much "crap" people accumulate in their life time, and more shameful that they are so hesitant to let it go once they pass a certain age.

    If I can find it, I'll gladly sell it to you, but chances of finding it before the end of the year are very small.

    ;-) I perfectly understand. I had some unopened boxes even ten years after moving ;-)
    Thank you very much. Just now I am mailing with one colleague from Germany - he offers me Efika via PM. He has it also in box somewhere in his house.
    If he don't find it, I will kindly ask you after New Year. Many thanks.
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  • »05.12.20 - 19:22
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  • rob
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    Posts: 133 from 2008/7/22
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    sailor wrote:
    Do somebody have spare Efika 5200B, which takes too much space in his computer room?


    You can still buy them new from Directron. Fiddling around with shopping cart reveals they currently have twelve left. Shipping is for the US and Canada only.
  • »05.12.20 - 19:23
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
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    rob wrote:
    You can still buy them new from Directron. Fiddling around with shopping cart reveals they currently have twelve left. Shipping is for the US and Canada only.

    Thank you very much for interesting info.
    Unfortunatelly site Directron.com seems to be down now (timeout). And I am from Bohemia, thus there could be problem with transport.
    If I not succseed with colleagues here, I will try Directron someway.
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  • »06.12.20 - 10:09
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Templario
    Posts: 416 from 2012/4/28
    A little suggestion for you, MacMini, it is little and it has all, with an Efika you must buy graphic card, hard disk and case, and the 400 Mhz are few HZs to move games with MorphOS and the size is very similar.
  • »06.12.20 - 10:16
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
    Posts: 185 from 2019/5/9
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    Templario wrote:
    A little suggestion for you, MacMini, it is little and it has all, with an Efika you must buy graphic card, hard disk and case, and the 400 Mhz are few HZs to move games with MorphOS and the size is very similar.

    Thank you.
    I know, Efika is practically useless ;-). For MorphOS daily use I have Pegasos 2 (overclocked), wich is probably faster then MacMini in most tasks. And if I want some games to run faster, I use A1X100 or Powermac G5.
    Efika will be for joy and some testing.
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  • »06.12.20 - 11:21
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    Kronos
    Posts: 2045 from 2003/2/24
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    sailor wrote:

    For MorphOS daily use I have Pegasos 2 (overclocked), wich is probably faster then MacMini in most tasks.



    No matter how far you overclock a Peg2 :

    - it might reach the 1.25-1.5GHz of a MacMini
    - it might have a better GPU than any MacMini
    - it won't reach the RAM speed of any MacMini
    - it won't reach the AGP speed of any MacMini

    -> Peg2 will only be faster for games that can make full use of a better GFX card and are not bottlenecked by CPU,RAM or AGP, everything else will run faster on the Mini.



    [ Edited by Kronos 06.12.2020 - 12:06 ]
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  • »06.12.20 - 11:59
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
    Posts: 185 from 2019/5/9
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    Kronos wrote:
    No matter how far you overclock a Peg2 :

    - it might reach the 1.25-1.5GHz of a MacMini
    - it might have a better GPU than any MacMini
    - it won't reach the RAM speed of any MacMini
    - it won't reach the AGP speed of any MacMini

    -> Peg2 will only be faster for games that can make full use of a better GFX card and are not bottlenecked by CPU,RAM or AGP, everything else will run faster on the Mini.


    I have CPU 1.33GHz and overclocked Radeon 9800 Pro, 128 MB of VRAM.
    With this configuration it have smoother run then my Powerbook 1.67
    (everymac.com: Powerbook have Geekbench2 score 843 vs 855 of MacMini 1.5GHz)
    SDL and 3D is fast enough. Maybe MacMini is faster on internet surfing, but on Pegasos I am surfing mostly Amiga/Morphos sites.

    You may be right, but in any case I want Efika and not MacMini ;-)
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  • »06.12.20 - 12:55
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Kronos wrote:
    -> Peg2 will only be faster for games that can make full use of a better GFX card and are not bottlenecked by CPU,RAM or AGP, everything else will run faster on the Mini.


    If you want, we can do some benchmarks. I agree, that Mini will be faster wit CPU-stress tests ( lame, dnetc, whetstone..). Maybe Peg will be better with SDL and games.
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  • »06.12.20 - 13:11
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    koszer
    Posts: 1121 from 2004/2/8
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    Quote:

    sailor wrote:
    If you want, we can do some benchmarks. I agree, that Mini will be faster wit CPU-stress tests ( lame, dnetc, whetstone..). Maybe Peg will be better with SDL and games.



    From the benchmarks I made - way back in 2010 or so - Pegasos 2 got outclassed by Mac Mini. Some results:

    MPlayer benchmark, total time [lower=better]:

    Mac Mini 1,5 GHz: 15,77
    overclocked Pegasos II 1,2 GHz: 23,21

    Blender benchmark time [lower=better]:

    Mac Mini 1,5 GHz: 378,10
    Pegasos II 1,0 GHz: 593,17

    DigiRoller benchmark [higher=better]:

    Mac Mini 1,5 GHz: 161,16
    overclocked Pegasos II 1,2 GHz: 103,13

    Quake timedemo [FPS]

    Mac Mini 1,5 GHz: 117,50
    overclocked Pegasos II 1,2 GHz: 98,60 (GFX: Radeon 9250, 128MB, 256Bit)
  • »06.12.20 - 13:56
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    koszer wrote:
    From the benchmarks I made - way back in 2010 or so - Pegasos 2 got outclassed by Mac Mini. Some results:



    Why not. If you send me benchmark conditions, I can send my benchmarks.
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  • »06.12.20 - 14:45
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    koszer
    Posts: 1121 from 2004/2/8
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    Quote:

    sailor wrote:
    Why not. If you send me benchmark conditions, I can send my benchmarks.


    MPlayer benchmark:

    download this movie trailer:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dwm41LDiVMEbgI_g6TYQ_zhUUt5yKSyo/view?usp=sharing

    copy to RAM and open in MPlayer (console):

    Code:
    mplayer -quiet -nosound -benchmark RAM:HP6_Large.mov


    Blender benchmark:

    http://www.eofw.org/bench/test.blend

    just open it in Blender and hit F12.

    Quake:

    At first, turn off VSYNC in console:

    Code:
    setenv TGLSYNC 0


    then run Quake, open its console and type:

    Code:
    timedemo demo1.dem


    DigiRoller:

    Download this file:

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jRaeI5ytBm85VCVLYKQApmNx1w-bKJy9/view?usp=sharing

    then open it in DigiRoller and hit "speed test".
  • »06.12.20 - 20:54
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    analogkid
    Posts: 619 from 2004/11/3
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    The main problem of the Efika will always be the lack of RAM.
  • »06.12.20 - 21:48
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
    Posts: 185 from 2019/5/9
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    @koszer:

    Thank you. I will test it this week and let you know.
    + I will add SDLbench and 1941 (hunoppc) game
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  • »07.12.20 - 08:57
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
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    koszer wrote:
    MPlayer benchmark, total time [lower=better]:

    Mac Mini 1,5 GHz: 15,77
    overclocked Pegasos II 1,2 GHz: 23,21

    Blender benchmark time [lower=better]:

    Mac Mini 1,5 GHz: 378,10
    Pegasos II 1,0 GHz: 593,17

    DigiRoller benchmark [higher=better]:

    Mac Mini 1,5 GHz: 161,16
    overclocked Pegasos II 1,2 GHz: 103,13

    Quake timedemo [FPS]

    Mac Mini 1,5 GHz: 117,50
    overclocked Pegasos II 1,2 GHz: 98,60 (GFX: Radeon 9250, 128MB, 256Bit)


    My Pegasos II 1.33GHz, Radeon9800:

    MPlayer 20.266s

    Blender: Time: 06:24.92
    If your result in seconds, it is 384.92 s

    DigiRoller:
    What is the benchmark here? Is it Speed?
    In this case (with mix freq 44.1kHz and HiFi 16bit stereo++) speed=x96.9
    Maybe here also important AHI settings

    Quake:
    119.5 fps
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  • »07.12.20 - 19:10
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
    Posts: 185 from 2019/5/9
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    1941:
    Show your FPS: Yes
    Frames per second: Unlimited
    1 player game

    FPS at start:
    FPS over palm tree on 1st island:

    My Pegasos II 1.33GHz, Radeon9800 MorphOs:
    FPS at start: 84
    FPS over palm tree on 1st island: 80

    My Pegasos II 1.33GHz, Radeon9800 AmigaOS:
    FPS at start: 92
    FPS over palm tree on 1st island: 89

    P.S. I offer a draw ;-)
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  • »07.12.20 - 19:30
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
    Posts: 185 from 2019/5/9
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    Kronos wrote:
    -> Peg2 will only be faster for games that can make full use of a better GFX card and are not bottlenecked by CPU,RAM or AGP, everything else will run faster on the Mini.


    I know, it is offtopic here, but I am curious blonde.
    Please, can anybody with MacMini G4 1.5GHz post here FPS of
    1941 Extreme Deluxe game from Huno? To resolve our little dispute. Many thanks.
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  • »14.12.20 - 10:00
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  • Jim
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    Quote:

    sailor wrote:
    1941:
    Show your FPS: Yes
    Frames per second: Unlimited
    1 player game

    FPS at start:
    FPS over palm tree on 1st island:

    My Pegasos II 1.33GHz, Radeon9800 MorphOs:
    FPS at start: 84
    FPS over palm tree on 1st island: 80

    My Pegasos II 1.33GHz, Radeon9800 AmigaOS:
    FPS at start: 92
    FPS over palm tree on 1st island: 89

    P.S. I offer a draw ;-)



    Looks like your Peg2 is holding its own.
    It does have a slightly better GPU.

    I'm still unsure why you want an Efika.
    "Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
  • »14.12.20 - 10:38
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Posts: 903 from 2010/1/6
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    EFIKA is only useable, if you have a special purpose. EFIKA has fairly low power consumption (useing CF instead of HD and with VNC no GraKa needed). It' possible use it as a small Apache-server, mp3-player or picture-slide-show system.
    But it's quite unusable for playing video, browsing through Internet or applications like Blender or UAE.
    It can be used as mesurement-system, if data-transfer via USB1.1 is enough. Time-critcal mesurements via RS323 are theoretical possible, but unfortunately not with MorphOS - there is no support for RS232 in Quark-Kernel. Another problem may be, that IDE-port supports only 1 channel (MorphOS) - only one device can be connected. Otherwise you need Linux.

    But, of course, you can play around with MorphOS - many applications, games and demos will run (if they don't need to much RAM).
    Peg2, 3xPowerMac G5, 2xPowerbookG4, 2x MacMiniG4, Efika (again), A3000T and life is never boring.....
  • »14.12.20 - 11:07
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    sailor
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    Jim wrote:
    I'm still unsure why you want an Efika.


    Nothing special, I simply want to expand my stock of nonsensical things ;-).
    It is part of MorphOS history, nice little comp. Somewhere around 2003 I was choosing between buying Efika and Pegasos 2. I buyed Pegasos 2 and I never regretted it, but simply I want to play with Efika now.
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  • »14.12.20 - 11:24
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Templario
    Posts: 416 from 2012/4/28
    This screenshot from my MacMini G4:
    https://www.morguesoft.eu/Miscelaneus/1943-01.png
    With 78-83 FPS with more enemies less FPS ratio.

    [ Editado por Templario 14.12.2020 - 12:54 ]
  • »14.12.20 - 12:53
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  • Butterfly
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    Mozzerfan
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    Sailor doesn't mention if his results are with full screen mode or windowed mode.

    In window mode I get 78-87 FPS on my 1.5 Ghz. Macmini.

    In full screen mode I get 120-130 FPS.

    [ Edited by Mozzerfan 14.12.2020 - 13:36 ]
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