Important Notice regarding X5000 Firmware Updates
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Stevo
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    tolkien
    Posts: 345 from 2013/5/29
    Im totally lost in this mess.
    ExecNG, that is a vital part of AOS4 is done from people that seems dont know much about the company doing the OS, with people making firmwares that nobody needs...
    A lot of people, companies and work but with no communication.

    Sorry but all this is so weird from an outside view that yes...Im lost.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    BSzili
    Posts: 547 from 2012/6/8
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    We're hitting confusion levels that shouldn't even be possible.
    I see the jimmies have been rustled.
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  • Caterpillar
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    Flash
    Posts: 36 from 2019/11/1
    I prefer this kind of communication to no communication.
    In the end it's all quite clear, and what emerge is once again a blackout in communication among parts, or better, no communication.

    Anyway if there'll ever be a next time where Mark will offer himself to build a new version of x5k firmware, obviously explaining he about what would be addressed, IMHO could be better accept his help and work as a team, at least on this goal :-)

    Things seems going on on both AOS4 nd MOS sides, and this is another good reason to think positive for all amiga users.

    [ Edited by Flash 29.10.2020 - 21:13 ]
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    kickstart
    Posts: 226 from 2009/4/28
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    These kind of problems makes mistrust in OS4 team even more, meanwhile MorphOS team works in silent without any kind of "awesome feature announces" that never arrive.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    KennyR
    Posts: 767 from 2003/3/4
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    kickstart wrote:
    These kind of problems makes mistrust in OS4 team even more, meanwhile MorphOS team works in silent without any kind of "awesome feature announces" that never arrive.


    To be fair, I don't think there is an OS4 team any more, just a bunch of volunteers completely unfamiliar with low level coding landed with a chunk of code that's probably not written to a standard where it can be easily maintained by anyone but its original coders.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1423 from 2003/4/13
    I read this thread with my jaw open while shaking my head in disbelief. Wow.


    Wow.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2770 from 2006/3/21
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    Quote:

    TrevorDick wrote:
    Mark,

    Not sure why you posted on a public forum but I can assure you that uboot firmware updates for the X5000 have not been circulated outside the ExecSG team.

    The excellent work you did for me on uboot helped the ExecSG team create a standard uboot build process. As I assured you at the time, I will ensure that any and all future uboot updates for the the X5000/20 and X5000/40 will support MorphOS. I have a vested interest since I run MorphOS on my X5000/20 :-)

    The ExecSG kernel work will not impact on MorphOS support.

    Trevor


    It's not really my place to step into the middle of this, but I just want to address this one question of Trevor's, with the most likely answer, that everyone has read in Mark's initial post to this thread. Mark/Bigfoot posted this here because Solie and to an extent Trevor himself kept refusing to give Mark the answers to his questions in those emails. I think if it had been me, I probably would have resisted helping the ExecSG team even more than Mark did, and I would not have given them the source code, until they DID answer my questions fully. But that is just my opinion on how I would have reacted, and Mark is a much more helpful and "Nice Guy".

    It seems completely reasonable to me for Mark to post this warning publicly, when he was kept "out of the loop" by Trevor and the ExecSG team, but learned what was going on and put the pieces together that seem to confirm his fears. I don't know if Mark made one last attempt to get the answers directly from Trevor or the ExecSG team, which I would have done before posting here, but it is done now, so why doesn't the ExecSG team and owner come out with an official statement to clear things up and ease the minds of the users. All of this "cloak and dagger" secrecy in our tiny community is silly. We are too small and way too far behind all other platforms to worry that anyone is going to steal the ideas of our development teams, and I can't see any benefit in keeping the users in the dark about what is going on. In fact, I think it hurts our community.

    After all the help that Mark has provided to get MorphOS working on the X5000, I hope that it won't all be in vain because A-Eon decides to drop support for MorphOS, due to the current graphics card problem between the two OSes, and the apparent low number of users running MorphOS on an X5000.
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    Kronos
    Posts: 1998 from 2003/2/24
    The moment you realize that running abandoned HW with no chance of any firmware updates is a blessing.....
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Doffo
    Posts: 483 from 2010/10/14
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    Kronos wrote:
    The moment you realize that running abandoned HW with no chance of any firmware updates is a blessing.....


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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Jupp3
    Posts: 1193 from 2003/2/24
    From: Helsinki, Finland
    Regarding this "don't upgrade", is there something that prevents users from downgrading to previous version, if there are problems? (like firmware upgrades are done on modern games consoles, for example)

    Also, an average user will probably think it's better to add as much features as possible to the firmware. But is there actually any benefit in doing that, instead of "doing as little as possible", and handing the control to the OS as soon as possible? (I assume the answer is "absolutely none") - would the OS actually run exactly the same, if firmware was completely erased once the system was booted up?

    I think it's also good to point out that this firmware rom is mostly different from Amiga Kickstart ROMs. Both definitely do some initializations, but classic Amiga ROM (or ROM image in RAM) continues to play a significant role once the OS is up and running.
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1282 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
    @Jupp3

    Quote:

    Regarding this "don't upgrade", is there something that prevents users from downgrading to previous version, if there are problems?

    The issue at hand is that the possibility of downgrading your firmware version does not undo severe data loss that was caused by a prior upgrade, hence the need for a public warning before MorphOS users might be the victim of potentially irreversible damage.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11157 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > this firmware rom is mostly different from Amiga Kickstart ROMs.
    > [...] classic Amiga ROM (or ROM image in RAM) continues to play
    > a significant role once the OS is up and running.

    This is because classic AmigaOS is actually two-part, disk-based and ROM-based, with the Amiga Kickstart ROM containing the ROM-based portion of the OS. The MorphOS equivalent of the Amiga Kickstart ROM is the boot.img, which is obviously not firmware, but OS. OS4 maintains a similar scheme.
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2770 from 2006/3/21
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    Quote:

    amigakit wrote:
    A-EON Technology is not affiliated to the "ExecSG" team as Trevor has pointed out.

    The private branch of the firmware is used for testing and developing the ExecSG projects and has nothing to do with the consumer release of the firmware.

    The official X5000 firmware that is distributed on X5000 systems and board is the version that BigFoot has worked on for A-EON over some years.

    He is the official maintainer of the firmware for A-EON. A-EON is happy for this relationship to continue going forward and presumably BigFoot is too (his schedule permitting).




    And yet, the official maintainer of the firmware for the X5000 systems is asked for help in compiling or setting up an environment that can compile the source code, and is ignored and kept in the dark, regarding projects that modify the firmware he is supposed to be maintaining.

    WHY?

    [ Edited by amigadave 01.11.2020 - 08:54 ]
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    Debvgger
    Posts: 4 from 2017/7/13
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    Wow. Talk about mistreating a developer. This is so wrong on so many levels.
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