Time for change - MorphOS advertising ideas
  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Samurai_Crow
    Posts: 101 from 2009/12/10
    From: Colorado, USA
    Memory protection will break source code compatibility so AROS can't really support it fully. ABI v1 supports it as much as OS4 and MorphOS do. Is there anything else we should throw out along with any resemblance of AmigaOS compatibility?

    [ Edited by Samurai_Crow 02.10.2019 - 17:32 ]
  • »03.10.19 - 00:30
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10842 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Addendum:

    >> 3.12 is close to being done

    > Where has this been said?

    I guess it was correct, though :-)
  • »03.10.19 - 10:50
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  • MorphOS Developer
    geit
    Posts: 933 from 2004/9/23
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    It is very simple.
    First thing that should be done after breaking compatibility with Amiga 68k software, should be adding memory protection.



    No. Everything must be done in one step. The worst case would be to loose compatibility over and over.
  • »03.10.19 - 13:24
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    Kronos
    Posts: 1970 from 2003/2/24
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    geit wrote:


    The worst case would be to loose compatibility over and over.




    Nah, worst case would be talking and talking bout it without anything ever getting done.

    Scares away old users without winning any new.

    [ Edited by Kronos 03.10.2019 - 14:50 ]
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    BSzili
    Posts: 522 from 2012/6/8
    From: Hungary
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    ppcamiga1 wrote:
    I eat banana.


    Good for ya mate, lots of potassium there. Be careful with the sugar though.
    I see the jimmies have been rustled.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ppcamiga1
    Posts: 201 from 2015/8/23
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    BSzili wrote:
    usual crap



    No it was tomato.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ppcamiga1
    Posts: 201 from 2015/8/23
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    Samurai_Crow wrote:
    Memory protection will break source code compatibility

    AROS x86 is not binary compatible with 68k software, everything need to be recompile, so it is no problem to cut off some parts of API to get memory protection, unix compatybility, and good drivers.
  • »04.10.19 - 09:08
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    Kronos
    Posts: 1970 from 2003/2/24
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    Kronos wrote:
    Quote:

    geit wrote:


    The worst case would be to loose compatibility over and over.




    Nah, worst case would be talking and talking bout it without anything ever getting done.

    Scares away old users without winning any new.


    I just love a plan working out.



    Bigfoot just bootet MorphOS on AMD for the 1st time at Amiga34.
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  • »12.10.19 - 14:48
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    kolla
    Posts: 105 from 2003/4/22
    Quote:

    ppcamiga1 wrote:
    AROS x86 is not binary compatible with 68k software, everything need to be recompile, so it is no problem to cut off some parts of API to get memory protection, unix compatybility, and good drivers.



    As "most users" (the myth) do not care squat nor have much knowledge on underlying functionality of the operating systems anyways, MorphOS could do well with "doing like Apple" and just hook onto some BSD (DragonflyBSD would be an obvious "amigan" choice, and also "just AMD64").
    -- kolla
  • »14.10.19 - 06:30
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 1946 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
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    kolla wrote:
    MorphOS could do well with "doing like Apple" and just hook onto some BSD (DragonflyBSD would be an obvious "amigan" choice, and also "just AMD64").


    Where's the fun if you don't do it yourself, though?
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    kolla
    Posts: 105 from 2003/4/22
    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
    Quote:

    kolla wrote:
    MorphOS could do well with "doing like Apple" and just hook onto some BSD (DragonflyBSD would be an obvious "amigan" choice, and also "just AMD64").


    Where's the fun if you don't do it yourself, though?


    Exactly - anyone can do a lot more themselves if the underlying layers of the operating system is for example a BSD.
    -- kolla
  • »14.10.19 - 22:56
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  • Cocoon
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    Georg
    Posts: 60 from 2004/4/7
    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
    Quote:

    kolla wrote:
    MorphOS could do well with "doing like Apple" and just hook onto some BSD (DragonflyBSD would be an obvious "amigan" choice, and also "just AMD64").


    Where's the fun if you don't do it yourself, though?


    Maybe MOS team won't admit it, but I'm pretty sure it's only really fun the first or the first few times. Like the first time ~selfmade PPC hardware (Pegasos), first PowerMac, firsttime Laptop (PowerBook). But much less for 2nd PowerMac version, 3rd PowerMac variant, 4rd PowerMac, 5th PowerMac variant, 6th PowerMac variant. Otherwise if it was so much fun it wouldn't have taken so long for all these although they are all PPC motherboards.

    And even if MOS ran on top of some other common kernel instead of running on top of Quark Kernel, you could still make your own drivers for pretty much everything like disk/usb/gfx/sound/network if you really want. And if you don't tell anyone, MOS users probably would not even notice. Of course if later they find out, they will retro actively declare it a POS and stop using it.
  • »15.10.19 - 07:40
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10842 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > there is a new video from Ravi Abbot

    This video is less about MorphOS than I anticipated going by its title. It also has a number of inaccuracies* and some outlandish moments**.

    * Amiga sold mobile phones and pants (4:50), Gateway bankruptcy was cause for Amiga sale (6:00), no new OS during Gateway era (6:05), Pegasos has MIDI ports and introduced support for DVD drives to the Amiga world (8:00), QNX ran on Peg1 (8:10), Sam460 was first machine running both MorphOS and OS4 (12:33), MorphOS demo has 20-minutes restriction (13:35), HTML5 is in the process of becoming a Web standard (20:50), Octamed and Protracker run on MorphOS (24:36)

    ** mentions "good people" like Fleecy Moss (5:50), a whole minute wasted on idiotic Merlancia drivel (6:20-7:20), shows old Apdf instead of new VPDF (24:12)

    What does he say at 7:25? The Pegasos was created 13 years after Commodore did what (which should be around 1989)?
    And as for playing Youtube videos in Odyssey (23:05) in overlay mode, shouldn't window size be irrelevant for CPU load?
  • »29.01.20 - 22:21
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