MorphOS 3.12
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > New hardwware supported as iMac G5 iSight [...]? Maybe a PowerMac G5 Quad
    > with PCI Express graphic card will be supported?

    Well, the MorphOS 3.12 release notes state the following:

    "Added basic PMac12,1/PPC970FX frequency switching support [...]
    Basic sensor support for PMac11,2/PMac12,1 models [...]
    Added dynamic CPU frequency switching (full/half speed as supported by 970FX) for PowerMac12,1/iMacG5 based on CPU load statistics
    "

    None of these features would make sense being mentioned if the public MorphOS 3.12 release didn't run on those machines, I guess ;-)
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    amigadave
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    I'm having trouble installing 3.12 from a USB stick on my 1.67GHz PowerBook. I have followed the instructions on the main MorphOS website for preparing the USB stick, then placed it into my Windows computer and copied the SD Card/USB Image to the empty USB stick, after renaming it morphos.iso, but when I place the USB stick in my PB and try to open the morphos.iso file by double clicking it (as instructions say), I get an error message saying "No hexview yet for Usb:morphos.iso"

    I'm sure this is something simple I am over looking, or have forgotten, but if I'm following the instructions on the official site and running into this problem, perhaps there are others having the same problem?

    Edit: I think I have figured it out, and I am now downloading the ISO image, not the USB image, even though I will be installing from a USB stick. Maybe someone can explain to me what the SD card/USB Image downloads are for, if installing from a USB stick uses the ISO images? Is it just that the instructions for installing from a USB stick need to be updated?

    Edit2: Okay, now I have the MorphOS.iso downloaded and copied to the USB stick correctly (I think), but when I open it and copy the "boot.img" from the mac_ppc32 directory, I can't paste it to the USB stick's main partition. In fact, I can't paste the file to any hard drive, or partition on my MorphOS system. I just get an error message that says "Error while copying '@1:mac_ppc32/boot.img'". Any ideas why this file won't copy to my USB stick? I can copy and paste the readme file to the USB stick main partition.

    [ Edited by amigadave 07.10.2019 - 05:34 ]
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    koszer
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    amigadave wrote:
    I'm having trouble installing 3.12 from a USB stick on my 1.67GHz PowerBook. I have followed the instructions on the main MorphOS website for preparing the USB stick, then placed it into my Windows computer and copied the SD Card/USB Image to the empty USB stick, after renaming it morphos.iso, but when I place the USB stick in my PB and try to open the morphos.iso file by double clicking it (as instructions say), I get an error message saying "No hexview yet for Usb:morphos.iso"


    Why copy the SD Card/USB Image to USB stick? Just use the normal LiveCD .iso file
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    amigadave
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    Quote:

    koszer wrote:
    Quote:

    amigadave wrote:
    I'm having trouble installing 3.12 from a USB stick on my 1.67GHz PowerBook. I have followed the instructions on the main MorphOS website for preparing the USB stick, then placed it into my Windows computer and copied the SD Card/USB Image to the empty USB stick, after renaming it morphos.iso, but when I place the USB stick in my PB and try to open the morphos.iso file by double clicking it (as instructions say), I get an error message saying "No hexview yet for Usb:morphos.iso"


    Why copy the SD Card/USB Image to USB stick? Just use the normal LiveCD .iso file


    Because I am trying to install from a USB stick, so naturally, when I went to the Download section and saw a USB Image as one of the two choices for downloading, I chose the USB Image. Seems logical to me! Going back to the installation instructions for using a USB stick, I then saw that it says "download the ISO image" so I went back and downloaded the 3.12 .iso image.

    Edit3: Finally got the installation going. I had to "Mount" the iso image, to be able to copy the "boot.img" file from the mac_ppc32 directory. Just double clicking the iso image as instructed on the page for USB installation, did not work for me.

    [ Edited by amigadave 07.10.2019 - 05:47 ]
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    koszer
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    Quote:

    amigadave wrote:
    Quote:

    koszer wrote:

    Why copy the SD Card/USB Image to USB stick? Just use the normal LiveCD .iso file


    Because I am trying to install from a USB stick, so naturally, when I went to the Download section and saw a USB Image as one of the two choices for downloading, I chose the USB Image.



    The SD/USB image is used when booting on Sam 460 or Efika (as stated here). I guess the USB installation instructions in MorphOS Library article could be more precise.
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    amigadave
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    koszer wrote:
    Quote:

    amigadave wrote:
    Quote:

    koszer wrote:

    Why copy the SD Card/USB Image to USB stick? Just use the normal LiveCD .iso file


    Because I am trying to install from a USB stick, so naturally, when I went to the Download section and saw a USB Image as one of the two choices for downloading, I chose the USB Image.



    The SD/USB image is used when booting on Sam 460 or Efika (as stated here). I guess the USB installation instructions in MorphOS Library article could be more precise.


    Installation completed, and I'm replying from my PowerBook now. I need to find the correct registration keyfile for this computer, as it appears that it has been deleted or corrupted along the way some months ago.
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    Because I am trying to install from a USB stick, so naturally, when I went to the Download section and saw a USB Image as one of the two choices for downloading, I chose the USB Image. Seems logical to me! Going back to the installation instructions for using a USB stick, I then saw that it says "download the ISO image" so I went back and downloaded the 3.12 .iso image.

    Edit3: Finally got the installation going. I had to "Mount" the iso image, to be able to copy the "boot.img" file from the mac_ppc32 directory. Just double clicking the iso image as instructed on the page for USB installation, did not work for me.



    I had exactly the same issue - the instructions could be a little better. I've installed to a 1.67 Powerbook too, the DLSD model - how are you finding it? I have frequent lockups and crashes.
  • »07.10.19 - 15:09
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    That certainly does not sound normal. Care to share more details?
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    That certainly does not sound normal. Care to share more details?


    I'm a new user, so still getting familiar. The crashs and lockups are too numerous to list right now - once I get everything installed I want to work with I'll make a note and either submit reports and/or post here. From memory I experienced hard crashes deleting screengrab pngs, in OWB the Youtube fullscreen option sometimes stops working until I relaunch the browser, bookmarking a youtube page doesn't work (bookmarks the main page instead.)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    koszer
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    Maybe an obvious question, but - did you check if RAM is OK?
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    koszer wrote:
    Maybe an obvious question, but - did you check if RAM is OK?


    There's always that possibility - this isn't the best condition Powerbook I've had, however, it ran fine under OSX.
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    amigadave
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    Quote:

    Dronecatcher wrote:
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    That certainly does not sound normal. Care to share more details?


    I'm a new user, so still getting familiar. The crashs and lockups are too numerous to list right now - once I get everything installed I want to work with I'll make a note and either submit reports and/or post here. From memory I experienced hard crashes deleting screengrab pngs, in OWB the Youtube fullscreen option sometimes stops working until I relaunch the browser, bookmarking a youtube page doesn't work (bookmarks the main page instead.)


    No, I have not had any lockups or hard crashes with my PowerBook, and it always ran very stable in the past with other versions of MorphOS. Is this a clean install of MorphOS, or have you added third party software and utilities to it? The Chrysalis Pack, although being wonderful in the amount of content it installs, and how it tries to set many things up for the new users, has had a few problems in the past, which can negatively impact how MorphOS behaves. Also, is your installation brand new, or did you update an earlier version of MorphOS to get up to version 3.12, and if you did update an earlier version, did you experience any of these lockups, or other problems before the update?

    Edit: I'm not trying to say that there are never any bugs in new releases of MorphOS, but when a user reports that there are too many crashes and lockups to count, or list, that does not sound typical of most other users. Being a new user, you probably try to do things differently than more experienced MorphOS users, and no doubt OWB still has many limitations compared to other web browsers, but it is the best we have, so most MorphOS users accept the limitations, and try to find ways around them to make their web browsing experience as painless as possible.

    [ Edited by amigadave 07.10.2019 - 10:18 ]
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  • »07.10.19 - 18:13
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    Is this a clean install of MorphOS, or have you added third party software and utilities to it?


    This is a clean install, it was previously running OSX Leopard. I've tried earlier versions on other machines and only very rarely had lockups - I guess this might be a hardware issue, though as I said, OSX behaved fine on it. If it persists, I'll try reinstalling, otherwise wait for another Powerbook.
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    Dronecatcher wrote:
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    Is this a clean install of MorphOS, or have you added third party software and utilities to it?


    This is a clean install, it was previously running OSX Leopard. I've tried earlier versions on other machines and only very rarely had lockups - I guess this might be a hardware issue, though as I said, OSX behaved fine on it. If it persists, I'll try reinstalling, otherwise wait for another Powerbook.




    What version of PowerBook did you say you have? And what amount of RAM in installed into it? All versions of the Aluminum PowerBook are supported (I think), but some might be supported better than others. I'm hoping that your problems are just caused by some corrupted file during installation, but can't really guess what the cause is. Having more details about your system, and specifics about when and how your system crashes, might help other here to give you suggestions on what might be causing the problems. If the problems also show up on other similar hardware as yours, then a formal bug report should be filed with the Dev. Team.
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    > All versions of the Aluminum PowerBook are supported (I think)

    Not quite :-)
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    What version of PowerBook did you say you have? And what amount of RAM in installed into it?


    It's the last model, 1.67Ghz 15" DLSD with 1 Gb RAM.
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    Amigaharry2
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    I've the same modell and it's supported very well - it runs very stable! Try to boot from CD and check if this problems occurs again.
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    Amigaharry2 wrote:
    I've the same modell and it's supported very well - it runs very stable! Try to boot from CD and check if this problems occurs again.



    The optical drive is non functional, and booting from my Firewire CD/DVD isn't supported. I'll create another USB installer again later and try that.
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    For youtube i recommend to use invidious a great frontend , you can locale it in any languages.
    You can show youtube vids or download them in the quality you want and it's adds free.

    https://invidio.us/

    The quality can be set in parameters but if old vids are availaible in small quality most of the new vids are in 720p mini so don't expect to show them properly if you have a slow machine.

    Regards
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    acepeg wrote:
    For youtube i recommend to use invidious a great frontend , you can locale it in any languages.
    You can show youtube vids or download them in the quality you want and it's adds free.

    https://invidio.us/

    The quality can be set in parameters but if old vids are availaible in small quality most of the new vids are in 720p mini so don't expect to show them properly if you have a slow machine.

    Regards


    Great suggestion - thanks!

    One of the great things with MorphOS and OWB is the Youtube fullscreen script - it plays 360P video at under 40% CPU - much better than OSX or Linux.
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    Dronecatcher wrote:
    One of the great things with MorphOS and OWB is the Youtube fullscreen script - it plays 360P video at under 40% CPU - much better than OSX or Linux.


    Just a tip - if you want to watch youtube fullscreen on older machines under Linux, try SMPlayer with SMTube, which is a very similar premise. The difference is absolutely amazing compared to trying to watch it embedded in a browser. I can watch 720p on a 2008 Atom netbook just fine on Linux, whereas it was struggling even to play 360p in Chromium or Firefox.
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    Just a tip - if you want to watch youtube fullscreen on older machines under Linux, try SMPlayer with SMTube, which is a very similar premise. The difference is absolutely amazing compared to trying to watch it embedded in a browser. I can watch 720p on a 2008 Atom netbook just fine on Linux, whereas it was struggling even to play 360p in Chromium or Firefox.


    Yes, I use it on OSX too - it's a great solution for PowerPC Macs.
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    Under MOS you may use this package: http://igracki.square7.ch/download.php?file=yt_v15.lha
    It uses MPlayer play YT Videos and gives you resolutionchoise at start. Runs much better then in OWB.
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    > http://igracki.square7.ch/download.php?file=yt_v15.lha

    There are more recent versions, the most recent being yt_v20 from 3 months ago. Or is there a specific reason to use v15, seeing as you reported v20 as non-working a month ago?
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    Finally found the correct keyfile for my G4 PowerBook, so I can check out this 3.12 version of MorphOS for more than 30 minutes at a time. In searching for my keyfile, I realised how difficult it is to keep track of which one is for which computer, for people like me who have more than one registered MorphOS system. All the emails that contain the keyfiles are identicle and every keyfile is named exactly the same, so I'll have to do a better job of placing each one inside a folder for each system to keep them identified.

    I'm liking 3.12 so far, and can't wait to use it more and prepare for the 2019 AmiWest Show. Now if I can only remember where I packed the huge MorphOS banner?
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