HP Laserjet 6P re-installation after opdate to 3.10
  • Order of the Butterfly
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    defender
    Posts: 234 from 2011/4/24
    Hallo all together,

    I have had a good working Laser printer for my Morphos system.

    But I'm unable to install it with the new printing system.
    - the printer has worked very good with Turboprint
    - where do I get a PPD driver ?
    - as far as I know, does my printer not understand post script language

    how can I install my printer again?

    thank you !
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    Indeed, only the 6MP has PostScript.
    I cannot find hplj6p.ppd but a generic CUPS-PPD
    https://opensource.apple.com/source/cups/cups-97.4/ppd/laserjet.ppd

    See also

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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    I seem to remember that a non-PostScript model of HP printer will work as a PostScript printer - as long as you fit the correct PostScript SIMM in the printer.

    I remember a few years ago owning a HP 5 Color LaserJet printer (the non PS model - identified by having the "M" in the title - i.e. HP5M) and when I fitted the PostScript SIMM in the memory slot it then worked as the HP5M PS Colour Laser Jet printer and printed documents out in glorious PostScript quality - and on that basis the HP6 may be possible to "enhance" it with PS capabilitiy if you can acquire a PS SIMM for the memory slot of that model.

    Bear in mind that this is NOT a guarantee that this will work, but for the cost of acquiring a PS SIMM for this printer it may wel be worth the outlay to try it out, and if it does work, report back here for others to be aware of. 8-D

    [EDIT] This seems to be what to look for - if you want to try this option

    HP-LaserJet-6P-Printer-Postscript-Level-2-Module-1MB-Memory-C3987-60001
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Quote:

    polluks schrieb:
    Indeed, only the 6MP has PostScript.
    I cannot find hplj6p.ppd but a generic CUPS-PPD
    https://opensource.apple.com/source/cups/cups-97.4/ppd/laserjet.ppd

    See also


    Ok i can save a text to prt: now.
    That is more than i had before, thx.
    I have had this command line for
    Post script in previous setup.
    How do i get there with the new driver?
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    You don't need a specific "driver" for postscript.
    ppd-files only discribes special features of some printers to use them in printers-prefs-program of MOS-Printers-prefs. You may use the test.ppd, witch comes with MOS3.10.
    But you won't have any luck, if your printer doesn't support postscript. For that the laserjet 6 needs a special Simm with RAM + ROM on it (newsense had posted it).

    The only way for your Laserjet now to print postscript, is to print over PS: -device from Turboprint. Turboprint genereates a virtual device (PS:), which translates postscript-printouts (like VPDF) to bitmap and send it to your printer. You need to install GhostScript (Aminet) and following settings in Prefs/Printer/Postscript:

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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Aha, "PS SIMM" contains a ROM that makes sense.
    Maybe "Printers" should be renamed "PS Printers"...

    [ Editiert durch polluks 22.05.2018 - 16:14 ]
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    Quote:

    defender wrote:
    I have had a good working Laser printer for my Morphos system.

    But I'm unable to install it with the new printing system.
    - the printer has worked very good with Turboprint


    Did you update your MorphOS installation or did a complete re-install? If you just updated it, are you sure it doesn't work as previously still? :) Turboprint is still there and you can configure it like earlier.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=ce63d1-1527012110.jpg

    This link above shows my previous set-up for pdf printing.
    I searched for a simm on ebay. The only one I found is in
    South america. (I won't do this)
    Thank you for all your ideas!
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    I bought such a Simm for my LJ6P a few weeks ago in USA - for $25.- (there are not many left worldwide). Works fine.
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    Quote:

    polluks schrieb:
    Aha, "PS SIMM" contains a ROM that makes sense.
    Maybe "Printers" should be renamed "PS Printers"...


    The ROM contains mainly the vector-fonts and some PS-routines.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Amigaharry2 schrieb:
    I bought such a Simm for my LJ6P a few weeks ago in USA - for $25.- (there are not many left worldwide). Works fine.


    Maybe I'll find one in Europe, than I will try that option as well.

    My Ghostscript Installations were wrong somehow - after reinstallation I can print
    over GS8gui.
    It is not as comfortable as before, but at least it works :-)
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    defender wrote:
    It is not as comfortable as before, but at least it works :-)



    Why don't you just continue printing with turboprint instead?
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    I added into my earlier comment, last week:

    HP-LaserJet-6P-Printer-Postscript-Level-2-Module-1MB-Memory-C3987-60001

    because there was on e8ay such an item, for about £10 (Euros 11), but I believe that one has already sold or ended, but there is another one, but it's in USA for about £30 (Euros 33) - item 332556397073

    I thought you might have gone looking for such an item, armed with the information I passed, but it seem you've either missed the bargain one that was previously listed, or will have to wait for it to be re-listed or choose the one I've mentioned above - if you still want to acquire one of these PostScript SIMMs for your model of HP LaserJet printer.

    Of course it's up to you if you want to get the best out of the printer you have. ;-)
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    Quote:

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    Why don't you just continue printing with turboprint instead?





    Let me answer:
    Because there are some programs, which can only print postscript (eg. VPDF, OWB, etc.)
    Secon reason: perfect printout and much quicker than TP.
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    Amigaharry2 wrote:
    Let me answer:
    Because there are some programs, which can only print postscript (eg. VPDF, OWB, etc.)
    Secon reason: perfect printout and much quicker than TP.



    I'm definitely not arguing against postscript being a useful feature. The point is that I had the impression that defender was quite happy with how printing worked for him in the past (see original post). If that is the case, then there is no real need to go through the hassle with ghostscript and so on.

    And btw, don't forget that there are also many applications that don't output postscript at all but rely on the native API (FlowStudio is one of them but far from the only one).
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    If I'm not mistaken FlowStudio can export as PDF which can be handled by PostScript printers, if it is printed via VPDF/APDF or other programs that can also print PDFs.

    I never had much success with TurboPrint with MorphOS, &/or I was never entirely satsified with the wait for the GS: device to interpret the file, and often I never got any output, but with PostScript/PDF output the results are far quicker, and superior.

    Bear in mind that the "Printers" system that was implemented with v3.10 was supplied "incomplete" as the USB device (USBPAR:, which is actually a misnoma, because as far as I am aware you cannot have a Serial (USB)<-> Parallel device - as it's either one or the other) for printing files was not part of the installation with v3.10, probably an oversight, but you can acquire it from the Beta "Printers" archive, and install it manually. 8-D

    I have advised Zukow of this anomaly in the "Printers" system, and I understand it may well be correctly implemented in the v3.11 release, whenever that is to become available.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    NewSense schrieb:
    I added into my earlier comment, last week:

    HP-LaserJet-6P-Printer-Postscript-Level-2-Module-1MB-Memory-C3987-60001

    because there was on e8ay such an item, for about £10 (Euros 11), but I believe that one has already sold or ended, but there is another one, but it's in USA for about £30 (Euros 33) - item 332556397073

    I thought you might have gone looking for such an item, armed with the information I passed, but it seem you've either missed the bargain one that was previously listed, or will have to wait for it to be re-listed or choose the one I've mentioned above - if you still want to acquire one of these PostScript SIMMs for your model of HP LaserJet printer.

    Of course it's up to you if you want to get the best out of the printer you have. ;-)


    I indeed missed the cheap one. The only one I can see is this:
    HP LaserJet 6P Postscript SIMM C3987 PS Mac Upgrade
    EUR 12,44+
    EUR 45,05 shipping

    But I can wait, thanks so far.
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    I just hope you found the information useful, what you decide to do with it is entirely up to you. ;-)
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    NewSense wrote:

    I never had much success with TurboPrint with MorphOS, &/or I was never entirely satsified with the wait for the GS: device to interpret the file, and often I never got any output, but with PostScript/PDF output the results are far quicker, and superior.



    What printer do you have? I use an HP LaserJet Pro 400 M451nw myself and I used it when I developed FlowStudio's Turboprint functionality and it works quite well I think. It's of course possible to export to a PDF and print that as you suggested, but it's cumbersome and also limited because the PDF export routines are not so advanced. In addition, you wouldn't get half the options that the FlowStudio's print requester gives you (or the preview).

    I have this idea of implementing some OS support to draw to a PDF or PS surface, which would make it easy for applications to produce such files or send them directly to a printer, but I still haven't found the time for this.

    Btw, there was an issue with FlowStudio's printing in the 3.10 release due to the black background theme. For the upcoming 3.11, I have implemented a special color theme that can when printing.
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    Nadir schrieb:
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    Amigaharry2 wrote:
    Let me answer:
    Because there are some programs, which can only print postscript (eg. VPDF, OWB, etc.)
    Secon reason: perfect printout and much quicker than TP.



    I'm definitely not arguing against postscript being a useful feature. The point is that I had the impression that defender was quite happy with how printing worked for him in the past (see original post). If that is the case, then there is no real need to go through the hassle with ghostscript and so on.

    And btw, don't forget that there are also many applications that don't output postscript at all but rely on the native API (FlowStudio is one of them but far from the only one).





    Hi Nadir,

    my problem is that my turboprint settings seem to be messed up somehow.
    I can print from Flowstudio for example, but from VPDF or OWB (PS:) my system frezzes immediatly.





    [ Editiert durch defender 29.05.2018 - 11:02 ]
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    defender wrote: my problem is that my turboprint settings seem to be messed up somehow.
    I can print from Flowstudio for example, but from VPDF or OWB (PS:) my system freezes immediately.

    I wouldn't be so sure it's your problem actually.

    As I understand it, the latest version of VPDF that was supplied with v3.10 has printing device issues, so it would probably be better to manually revert to using the version of VPDF that came with v3.9 - at least that's what I am doing, and it works OK with the latest Printers implementation - that is - ONLY once I FIXED the issues that were all messed up with the "Printers" (PostScript) system once it had installed ( as it was missing the USBPAR: device, and my working PPD file was not recognised due to Beta not being uninstalled/unlocked prior to being replaced by v3.10 implementation, along with the VDPF printer device not being recognised/implemented).

    I did complain about these issues at an early stage of v3.10 being released, but I was not listened to by the Dev Team it seems, but the truth is still the truth - and they got it wrong, so it still needs fixing.

    With regard to OWB I presume you are using v1.24 that came with v3.10 - and the same advice regarding VPDF and the Printing schemes would be repeated by me - use the previously released version, that of v1.23 of OWB that came with MorphOS v3.9, as I've got better use out of that than the one that came with v3.10, as it cannot access many sites that even v1.23 CAN access, so you choose what you want to do, but that would be my advice, and of course I can now print from v1.23.

    I really think the Development Team sadly for us all, got more wrong with v3.10 than with any prior release, and we are going to have to put up with some of the issues until they fix it, hopefully, with v3.11 which cannot be released soon enough if it actually fixes the problems that v3.10 caused.
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    Tested that with older versions of VPDF and OWB. Printing over PS: does'nt freeze my system, but prints only blank sheets.
    This seems not to be an issue of 3rd party software, but MOS itself.......(and I don't think that TP changes the last 10 or more years).

    Edit: I use 4 printers, all over network - no USB connections.

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    I think if you have the new MorphOS v3.10 "Printers" installed/working then if you manually install the DOSDriver USBPAR: in Devs:Printers from the Zukow Beta "Printers" archive (which is not where it was located by Zukow, and is not where it should be after I uploaded the correct files to MorphOS Storage, but I have a copy of the files if they are required by anyone, if you cannot get hold of them anywhere else - which is an error by the Development Team IMHO, as this was messed up by the v3.10 release, and still hasn't been fixed).

    The Beta "Printers" archive for MorphOS by Zukow can still, for the time being, be downloaded via WayBack Machine - Zukow's Beta Printer Files

    If you swap the VPDF from v3.9 of MorphOS you should find that it prints out just fine, as long as you are using a USB connection to your printer. If you're using a LAN or some other form of Networked printer scheme then I believe you will have to try a different printer driver from MosSys: or MorphOS: Devs > DOSDrivers folder to choose the device you need.

    I tried the Networked printer system when I initially setup my MorphOS system, but even though I have a Network card in my HP2500 Colour LaserJet printer, and that option worked OK for me, I rarely use it via MorphOS, as I just plug in the USB connection as/when I need to print something out and that works more efficiently for me and my setup. 8-)
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    Indeed :-) you both are right.
    The problem belongs to VPDF inside 3.10 -
    I have copied the version of MOS 3.9 (it's still on my Powerbook)
    No system lock up and the print is as good as I had it before!

    very good investigation - thank you :-)
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