@Andreas_Wolf

oh brother, here we go again

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@all

update from Ben Hermans

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@thread

cough

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Update:

> Confirmation by Trevor in recent Amiga Future issue of some of
> these comments [...]: [...]
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/1gMRbIa_V9Lb5MJMiEYPwtwzFeCBjWRQZ/edit

Document now leaked:
https://twitter.com/amigadocuments/status/1654482327379034115
http://www.amiga-news.de/files/A-EON_Hermans_2010.pdf


Edit: added another URL

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 08.05.2023 - 09:40 ]

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I still think the Amiganews article and particularly the comment section for same are quite interesting:
the news article
the comment section

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>>> Confirmation by Trevor in recent Amiga Future issue of some of
>>> these comments [...]: [...]
>>> https://docs.google.com/file/d/1gMRbIa_V9Lb5MJMiEYPwtwzFeCBjWRQZ/edit

>> Document now leaked:
>> https://twitter.com/amigadocuments/status/1654482327379034115

> I still think the Amiganews article and particularly the comment section
> for same are quite interesting

Yes, that's why my self-quote contains a link to a comment of mine (#197) which in turn links to that article and a comment to that article ;-)

@thread

On topic from AmigaNews

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>> Seems that Hermans' shares in Hyperion increased from 96,88% in 2020
>> to 100% in 2021:
>> https://docs.google.com/file/d/1d-7dv59cuhD2XtYDjRh0QVC3kQy8NYId/edit
>> (page 12)
>> https://docs.google.com/file/d/1QIxiQGAUSQbow47Y2Eq_BBxUWBYJSKF7/edit
>> (page 14)

> Correct. He is sole director and shareholder.

https://twitter.com/amigadocuments/status/1661651542494130177
https://twitter.com/amigadocuments/status/1661667039511994371

Is this a case of publishing documents but not reading them? Or what am I missing?

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I don't know. I was looking at a quote from May 24 as well:
"new peak of legal abuse by Hyperion Entertainment's lawyer-owner and by the shareholders who fund him."
Perhaps he means "former" shareholders and "funded".

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>>>> Seems that Hermans' shares in Hyperion increased from 96,88% in 2020
>>>> to 100% in 2021: [...]

>>> Correct. He is sole director and shareholder.

>> [...] Is this a case of publishing documents but not reading them?
>> Or what am I missing?

> I was looking at a quote from May 24 as well: [...]

Yes, one of the two tweets I linked to is a reply to a reply to that.

> Perhaps he means "former" shareholders and "funded".

Unlikely. He asks for a source for Hermans owning the whole of Hyperion (not being aware that for his readers, he himself is the source for that information as he published it) and states that "Ben Hermans [...] owns more than 90%, but less than 100%" (which has no longer been true since 2021), so Hermans currently not owning the whole of Hyperion due to"Robert Trevor Dickinson, Timothy De Groote and Benny Damsgaard" being in possession of Hyperion shares is what he does mean, obviously. Besides, "a new peak of legal abuse" by former shareholders who funded him wouldn't really make sense.

@Andreas_Wolf


I suggest starting:

Here

Follow all imbedded links to other websites as this is obviously a developing story.

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> I suggest starting: [...]
> Follow all imbedded links to other websites [...]

Thanks. Interestingly, everybody is still going on about the 97% (96.88%) ownership. Why is that when the most recent financial filing (the one from 2022 covering 2021) says 100%?

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No idea.

btw-given that nearly a year has passed,I did offer a little review of events for those discussing the recent interview with Camilla Boemann:

Source

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and now this

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Amiganews.de article (German)

Amiganews.de article (English)

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> When did either Trevor or Matthew -not- publically announce
> an acquisition for both PR and practical purposes?
> Answer: never...until this one, if it is as you say...

Another one from 2019:
I just stumbled upon this recent translation of an Italian article (published some months ago) that contains a link to a document uploaded in May 2023, which is an August 2019 agreement between Hyperion and Trevor Dickinson as per which Trevor acquired (in source-code form) joint ownership of "all software assets owned or co-owned by HYPERION which are shipped with or incorporated in Amiga OS 4.x" for the sum of 47.500 EUR.
I seem to have missed this until now. Has this before been mentioned or discussed anywhere?

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New information is being processed. I suggest looking in the usual place until we can put things in order.

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@thread, which means @Andreas

In 2019, Trevor Dickinson acquired co-ownership of AmigaOS 4 (German)

same (English)

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> same (English)

So the document I linked to (as well as the one about ExecSG) is "new" indeed, despite the May 2023 upload date.

From the article:

"Three new internal documents are made public for the first time: [...] A secret agreement dated December 2010 between Ben Hermans, Robert Trevor Dickinson and the former A-EON financier Anthony Moorley is now also public. [...] publishing these new documents"

This is definitely incorrect, as I read that one already last May on Amiga Documents. The Wayback Machine has proof of that ([377]).

@Andreas_Wolf

Re: The talk about shares/ownership % in this thread.

Section of revamped site

Paragraph beginning:
Quote:

New doc #382 linked to within.

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[ Edited by number6 18.04.2024 - 16:34 ]

> Re: The talk about shares/ownership % in this thread.
> Section of revamped site
> Paragraph beginning: [...]
> New doc #382 linked to within.

That document from 2018 does not reveal anything substantially new (see your own comments #1354 and #1364) and cannot explain anything that happened afterwards, especially not the increase of Ben Hermans' Hyperion shares from ~97% in 2019 (and 2020) to 100% in 2021 as reported in the Ben Hermans BV 2021 financial report filed in 2022, which everybody including the one who published it in 2022 seems to ignore for whatever reason.