For Amithlon, there is a nifty little tool called PuhDerBear, as well as a couple other such as NewBear

http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/newbaer

Which redirect all audio that depends upon the Paula chip, to AHI instead, thus allowing Amithlon access to more classic apps than any other next gen Amiga OS alternative.

So I am wondering, what is to prevent someone from writing a tool like PuhDerBear for MorphOS?

Likewise, what is to prevent someone with the coding skills to write something like The Maestrix for MorphOS?

http://aminet.net/package.php?package=util/libs/TheMaestrix.lha

MorphOS was created to keep the Amiga legacy alive when all looked bleak for Amiga OS/Workbench. So it has always boggled my mind that no effort (and I don't say this to sound jaded) has been put into stretching backwards compatibility as much as possible. If we had programs such as these, all new doors would be opened on our beloved MorphOS machines.

After living with them this long, I'm not sure I WANT to appeal to the Amiga masses.
They are a demanding, whiny, critical bunch of mofos.

Damn straight! Sounds just like me! :)

I've asked about PuhDerBear in the past and the response was something along the lines of "not interested".

I'd through something into a bounty if there was one. I'd find this very useful. I'd be nice to use Payback PPC executable, just as one example!

That's sad to hear. Seems it would be a LOT easier to write a program such as this than to wait for someone to come along and write a slew of MorphOS native apps that attempt to accomplish the same thing as their Amiga counterpart. What's the point of a great OS with very few productive apps, and once more, what's the point of a next gen Amiga if no one is concerned about improving backwards compatibility as much as possible? It's not like MorphOS is trying to compete with Windows, Linux, or OS X, and can't afford to waste time on such ventures. The only people who use MorphOS are old Amiga users so it would only make perfect sense.

@XDelusion

perhaps someone could port nallepuh over to MOS? it's available for AOS4 and helps with applications which don't use audio.device and insist on reading/writing to registers on paula. the source is available on aminet, too.

-- eliyahu

IIRC porting PuhDerBear would require knowledge of internal MorphOS/Quark APIs. And I am not sure is it worth of it.

Napalm can not work without Paula. For OS4 did patch game/strategy/napalm.lha

That patch look generic one and should work out of the box on MorphOS.

> That patch look generic one and should work out of the box on MorphOS.

Yes, dedicated thread there:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6346&forum=16&start=7

There it can be read that the newest version of the patch doesn't work on MorphOS, but an older one does.

Looking at NallePUH, it appears that it is for AmigaOS 3.5. I'm not sure what benefit it would be on a real Amiga, but anyhow...
So I downloaded it, intalled the MuLib.library then tried to run the NallePUH via GUI, but it said I need to have OS 3.5 installed and that I lacked MuLib.library version 41. The one that came with NullePUH. So I tried to run it via command line, and it continued to say that I lacked MuLib.library version 41.

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Okay. Maybe author could be contacted and ask if he could provide MorphOS patch.

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It requires 68k MMU. It is not emulated in MorphOS and low level apps using MMU must be adapted to use Quark MMU API. It could be done, AFAIK it needs no more than installing page fault handler in Quark. UInfortunately at least I have got large backlog of unfinished work I have to clear out first.

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Did your backlog clear out yet?

Would a small bounty help? I think NullePUH would be popular amongst end users.

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The ABox cannot call SYS_MMUAddPage and SYS_MMUGetEntry, right? OS4 has full MMU access

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LOL, I just was 3 weeks in China and after that 2 weeks in Spain, I just returned to home yesterday =P I completed less than I was hoping for...

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ABox can call Quark but they are not available to immortals. Regular applications dont need such access.

> ABox can call Quark but they are not available to immortals.

This is fine then I guess as it shouldn't apply to the majority of people ;-)

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Oh, oops MorphOS users are immortal, developers not

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There is an OS4 port of it
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=audio/misc/nallepuh.lha

Even there is CIA emulator (what would CIA say
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=emulation/misc/ciagent.lha

However, it hasn`t been updated since 2004, and it would require some testing to see does it work at all and with which apps.

I always wished that once there is 68k CPU JIT emulation that is nice and fast, OS4 and MOS could just have some extra layer emulating CIA and full AGA to make UAE not needed. But now it seems UAE JIT for PPC will take that away. But it would be kind of more Amigish to have it within OS than to know we use the same full box emulation as any other ...

Hi to all,

@ MOS devs : PuhDerBear or something written to achieve the same goal for MOS is something I REALLY want more than anything else. I know that MOS is developed to be a current modern operating system but the backwards support for legacy Amiga applications is extremely important to me and no doubt most other MOS users. Can I please add my voice to the request for Paula redirection under MOS so that at least the audio applications banging the old hardware chipset can run under MOS.

[ Edited by Pete 14.08.2014 - 18:09 ]

It makes no sense for just two games that were coded bad.

As suggested earlier it makes more sense to fix the real problem (the games), instead of adding some hack to the system.

MorphOS is a NG OS, which is designed to be compatible with the AmigaOS at maximum performance. These software titles mentioned here, are banging the hardware. So they are simply not supported like other games.

If they cause problems, use UAE. If they are PPC based, you should ask for the reason, why they used "modern" PPC CPUs and even graphic cards, but failed to do the same with audio hardware.

Even using AHI if available and banging the hardware if not, was possible at that time. (BoulderDäsh is doing that for audio and video output) These coders made a bad choice and it is not our job to clean up their mess.

Geit

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Sorry, in my opinion QBox is (or will be) the NG OS and ABox is (or should be) for legacy. C'mon, we are talking about an extra patch, not a Quark built-in.

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I wonder if a bounty for patching OctaMED would attract many donors?

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I'm in talks with one of the MorphOS Team developer about bounty for that but don't hold your breath. Will keep you updated if anything comes up out of that.

Quote:Hi, I was refering to legacy audio applications rather than games. I understand your point but patching each application would require a bigger investment in time.

Quote:I hope so because Octamed SS is at the top of my wish list :)

Quote:That's great news! Thank-you and I hope very much that it comes to fruition.