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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    NewSense
    Posts: 800 from 2012/11/10
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    walkero wrote: ... How possible do you think it would be to persuade him to opensource the code? This way, if anyone would like to work on that will be able to do so, fix the bugs of v5 and add new features. This is the only solution I see to save that application.

    Well, it all depends if he is of the mindset to sell, or Open Source it, as it doesn't seem to be going anywhere currently, and then it would be either if he's prepared to make the grand gesture of Open Sourcing the code, or how much he wants for the source code I suppose.

    I'd be prepared to support a bounty, if this is viable for the current Amiga community or if it would just be MorphOS users that would be supporting the "Bounty". There has never been a successful MorphOS version of PageStream released by Deron, but I believe Frank Mariak - cyfm did a fix for the bug-ridden version intended for MorphOS, or could it have been an Amiga version of PageStream 5 that was fixed from a MUI/bug aspect that Frank got working and did a "presentation" of at one of the MorphOS user gatherings.
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    walkero wrote: I sent him as well an email a couple of days ago. Let's hope he will reply and be positive to open source it.

    Did you ask him in your email if he was prepared to sell or even Open Source any or all of the PageStream versions code?
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    I can confirm that I've been working on PGS5 for MorphOS about 3 years ago. It was a bit difficult to coordinate the effort with Deron back then, though, as he couldn't respond to email for periods of time.
    I made it work up to a point where Christoph Poelzl and myself were able to show a preview version at Alchimie 0xb back in 2015 but in order to get it to a releasable state it would have required some additional work by Deron which unfortunately never happened due to various reasons not in my control. Christoph even offered Deron to finance the effort.

    PGS5 would have been and still would be a great application for MorphOS - unfortunately Deron seemed to have lost interest to get it to a final state for reasons I don't know.

    I doubt that open sourcing the whole code would get the project anywhere even if Deron would release it this way - which is unlikely IMHO -, it still needs some coordinated effort and at least an experienced developer to get it done. Just look at various projects which have been released this way and what happened to them.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    @ cyfm

    Thanks for that response, I appreciate the frankness of your reply, as I always wondered fully about where you, and Christoph Poelzl, managed to get to with PGS5 for MorphOS, and Deron's (sadly lack of) willingness to continue forward, from your efforts, to a successful release of PGS5.

    I tend to agree with your assessment of Deron's current "drive" with completing PGS5 for ANY of the OS's he released PGS5 for. It always seemed to me to be too big a project for one person to successfully develop & bug-fix for Windows, MacOSX (x86 & PPC), Linux (i64, x86 & PPC), Amiga (68k, PPC -> OS4 & MorphOS) platforms all being developed concurrently.

    I also agree that it would be difficult in the extreme for anyone else to complete the program for PageStream 5 for MorphOS, or any other OS that it was initially released for, without some or all of the knowledge of how the program is put together to implement it as a working/fully functional release. The chances of Deron releasing PageStream as some licensed/freely available code for anyone to work on would also seem highly unlikely, but would be more of a chance that it might eventually be achieved, as I feel Deron has probably "given up" on ever completing it now, sadly.

    Since my comment on Page 2 #48 I have had no response from Deron / PageStream Support, which is never a good sign, and he rarely replies to direct questions about the future of PageStream, even on PageStream User Group on Yahoo. As he seems very selective about what he will answer questions about, which is a real shame.

    I, and I am sure anyone else with a vested interest in the future of PageStream, would preferably appreciate an honest answer from Deron as to PageStream's future. I paid for it's v5 stable future release, and I've certainly not had my money/product value delivered as yet, and I've been waiting for about 10 years now. Those of us who supported the program over the years really deserve a better outcome than where we are currently.

    [ Edited by NewSense 05.03.2019 - 03:36 ]
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