New Modern Webkit-based Browser In Development
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Fab wrote:
    Heh, great jaca, congratulations.

    Glad to see all the build dependencies are there. The worst part is really to make it work at all. Then it's "just" a matter of wiring everything properly (which is what takes most of the time though :)).

    Happy to see a recent webkit running, really.



    How hard would be wiring Odissey with Jaca's updated webkit? Would it save time?
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    Crumb wrote:
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    Fab wrote:
    Heh, great jaca, congratulations.

    Glad to see all the build dependencies are there. The worst part is really to make it work at all. Then it's "just" a matter of wiring everything properly (which is what takes most of the time though :)).

    Happy to see a recent webkit running, really.



    How hard would be wiring Odissey with Jaca's updated webkit? Would it save time?


    Quite some work, since a lot must have changed in platform/webcore API layers since latest Odyssey's webkit codebase.

    But maybe it's time to have a more modern user interface, and rework it from scratch (or at least seriously rework it). I'm confident Jaca will do a great job there. :)

    Anyway, it would also be nice to have webkit as a "library" (maybe not dynamic, but at least static), that way it could be reused in other applications "easily", as it was done for Iris (even if it's a stripped-down version of WebKit).
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    Hey Fab :)

    Yes, the idea is to make an ObjC WkWebKit class & related delegates so that the web browser (or any other) application doesn't even need to include anything from WebCore or WTF on its own.

    But right now I still have to get all the necessary systems up and running.
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    Fab wrote:
    Quite some work, since a lot must have changed in platform/webcore API layers since latest Odyssey's webkit codebase.

    But maybe it's time to have a more modern user interface, and rework it from scratch (or at least seriously rework it). I'm confident Jaca will do a great job there. :)

    Anyway, it would also be nice to have webkit as a "library" (maybe not dynamic, but at least static), that way it could be reused in other applications "easily", as it was done for Iris (even if it's a stripped-down version of WebKit).



    Nice to see you posting here Fab. I hope that you are your family are healthy and staying safe, as all of us should be doing. Now that most people are staying home, due to the COVID-19 virus, do you perhaps have a little extra free time to help jadacaps with some of the work needed on the new web browser he has started? No doubt your experience in coding Odyssey, and your long experience programming in general, would be a great addition to his work.

    I wish I had more coding skills, so that I could offer to help with some of the simplest parts.
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    jacadcaps wrote:

    Yes, the idea is to make an ObjC WkWebKit class & related delegates so that the web browser (or any other) application doesn't even need to include anything from WebCore or WTF on its own.


    This is a really good idea! :-)

    That would open up for a lot of creative uses in new programs, Iris being far from the only one!

    Ideally it should also be possible to run JS etc in it to make a full web app, enclose it all in a proper MUI GUI with all necessary controls, and make it possible for the web-app and MUI-app to communicate to become one entity. It would IMHO make a lot of sense to create, say, a word processor this way. HTML for the document contents, JS for doing all the editing of it, one css for screen, one for paper print, and a MorphOS/MUI program around it to handle everything related to the OS and user interface. I believe the Spotify apps and many more are built in a similar way.
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    @ takemehomegrandma

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    Ideally it should also be possible to run JS etc in it to make a full web app, enclose it all in a proper MUI GUI with all necessary controls, and make it possible for the web-app and MUI-app to communicate to become one entity. It would IMHO make a lot of sense to create, say, a word processor this way. HTML for the document contents, JS for doing all the editing of it, one css for screen, one for paper print, and a MorphOS/MUI program around it to handle everything related to the OS and user interface. I believe the Spotify apps and many more are built in a similar way.


    A "hybrid app runtime" derived from Odyssey has been in existence in various incarnations since 2018. Considering that Odyssey uses a less demanding Webkit version, this seems like a good fit considering applications designed to be run locally and on certain operating systems can usually be tailored to the features of specific Webkit versions whereas websites are constantly evolving, thus require browser engine upgrades.

    The main downside of running multiple applications in what is close to a UI-less Odyssey is that iconifying one application window will iconify all windows associated with the runtime application. This would require some option to hide the iconify button just like it exists for the "Close" window button in MUI. I doubt this will ever get implemented though.

    Also, this is very much unrelated to the new web browser, of course, which is the main topic of this discussion.
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    Ideally it should also be possible to run JS etc in it to make a full web app, enclose it all in a proper MUI GUI with all necessary controls, and make it possible for the web-app and MUI-app to communicate to become one entity.


    This is how Iris works already. It interfaces via JS commands. I'm mostly just making use of what I've learnt while working on Iris now.

    As for a "hybrid", Iris has used that for a while - having a separate app that overlapped Iris' window to display HTML. This is, sadly, too messy to handle. It's far easier to simply link the whole thing together.

    Anyway, I have now rebased to Safari-609.1.20.111.8, which is Safari 13.1 - meaning the latest there is, basically. Appears to work, too (at least to the same extent the old version did, there's still a ton of problems to address).

    [ Edited by jacadcaps 08.04.2020 - 19:10 ]
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    I'm just having to scrabble around in the dark here, as my mind just popped, and my jaw has fallen on the floor, so give me a moment ... :-o

    Fortunately my hands remained attached, so I can type ... All those ideas seem excellent, and it's fantastic what you've achieved so far, in such a brief amount of time, hoping this all comes good in the end ...
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    So ever since the initial google.com screenshot I've been battling a bug that made WebKit lose sanity as soon as some heavier page was loaded - usually in the middle of the load.

    This caused subsequent loads to fail too and several of my headaches. Anyway...



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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Fantastic success! :D
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    @ jacadcaps - Most impressive, most impressive indeed you are ... and far better progress than I'd expected so far. :-D
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    > https://tunkki.dk/~jaca/webkit_goats.png

    "goats", that was close ;-)
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    So ever since the initial google.com screenshot I've been battling a bug that made WebKit lose sanity as soon as some heavier page was loaded - usually in the middle of the load.

    This caused subsequent loads to fail too and several of my headaches. Anyway...






    Glad you tested that. Goats are my go to search these days. :)
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    Am I the only one who noticed that MorphOS on this screenshot runs on QEMU?
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    > Am I the only one who noticed that MorphOS on this screenshot runs on QEMU?

    See comments #65 and #69.
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    See comments #65 and #69.


    Ah, must have missed #69. Thanks.
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    Posting this from the new browser. Managed to fix cookies (required tweaks in SQL DB setup and porting libpsl - thanks to Piru for the latter). As you can see, text editing is starting to work. I got the wheel to work as well and tab navigation...
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    Posting this from the new browser. Managed to fix cookies (required tweaks in SQL DB setup and porting libpsl - thanks to Piru for the latter). As you can see, text editing is starting to work. I got the wheel to work as well and tab navigation...


    Wow, talk about strides in development here! :-o

    I think the new name should be Strider! Beacause it really is striding!

    ;-)
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    Amazing progress!
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    @ jacadcaps - How about the name for your browser of ... "Amaze" - it's got the Am-iga/bient hook, and the internet is 'a maze' anyway, and anyone would be amazed at the progress you've made. 8-D
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    CoronaBrowser, cannot imagine any other name ;)
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    pampers wrote:
    CoronaBrowser, cannot imagine any other name ;)


    And a couple years from now new users will wonder why the browser is named after a Mexican beer? ;-)
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    pampers wrote:
    CoronaBrowser, cannot imagine any other name ;)


    Good names, considering the times when this browser is created.

    Pampers, good to see you again!


    [ Edited by waldiamiga 17.04.2020 - 16:02 ]

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