@ Papiosaur - glad someone else is able to confirm my experience with v6.x of Wayfarer, specifically v6.5, though not glad that newer versions than v5.5 are still exhibiting this "white-out", which as you say is quite bizarre !

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Maybe work with MorphOS 3.19 and not 3.18?

You should delete all cache-files (or rename direktory) to see what happens then. In some cases ther are faulty data, which prevents Wayfarer from working well on some websites.
At another issue in the past I had to rename file settings/settings.json to work propper. You can try it. If it's not solving your problem, rename it back.

Btw:: Paypal or Ebay is working flawless with V6.5......

The issue preventing paypal from rendering correctly is present in all v6 builds. I am still looking for possible solutions. I have a pretty good idea what causes this by now, but as this is a bug in WebCore itself, I'm not yet sure I'll be able to fix it. I might have to file a bug report with Apple and have them fix it instead.

32 bit <-> 64 bit or endianess stuff?

Quote: I appreciate all the work you do for MorphOS and significantly with Wayfarer, and Iris, and I am really sure you are already doing all you can to improve all of the features and programs that you work on.

So, I trust you will do all you can to fix it or if necessary report it, and then we'll just have to see when Apple fixes it if you can't work around this issue. As well as that I feel I should also thank you for saying you are aware that it is actually an issue in v6.x's code, which some users were thinking was merely a cache or setting issue, which I was - as sure as I could be - just didn't feel like it was.

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Neither. The problem is with internal layering / draw flattening.

@jacadcaps: it will be possible to have an external shower with tinygl (2d) for more speed?

@jacadcaps

Thanks for the latest updates.
Would you be so kind to check itch.io downloads?

For example: https://amjones98.itch.io/whiteboardaga

Often, the download does not start at all. I often have to close the window and try it again.
Thanks!

The PayPal Send/Receive page problem is a deeper issue in WebKit - I am afraid there's no easy fix. For the time being I'm considering going back to the WebKit version used in Wayfarer 5. Apple decided to kill a feature I've been relying on to render "floating" and "fixed" contents without implementing layering mechanisms. It's now been deprecated and is being removed from WebCore.

What this means is that Wayfarer 7, if it happens, will either require TinyGL or Enhanced Display to work (possibly both).

[ Edited by jacadcaps 02.11.2023 - 19:21 ]

@ jacadcaps - well thanks for letting us know where WebKit has left us. I've no problem with needing to use TinyGL or Enhanced Display - as long as those features already implemented in MorphOS will be sufficient to leapfrog/bypass this issue.

However, how does Apple manage to use WebKit with websites, like PayPal, that may have relied upon those features, if they utilised them, with those feature(s) now deprecated and being removed, or how do they use it without relying on those features?

Apple has never relied on those features. They have a robust modern UI that supports layering internally and on-demand and WebKit on macOS/iOS simply uses the system-supplied features.

@ jacadcaps - OK, could such support be built into MorphOS ... in the short-term, and ...would it be better to have it?

I seem to remember that v5.5 of Wayfarer sometimes seems to lose track of where it was and in a way becomes inactive and does not respond on the network - such that pages that are loaded no longer seek any clicked on link or even bookmarks don't trigger any response to load the webpage(s). I don't know if other users have encountered this issue, but I know I have.

In fact a few minutes ago I was using Wayfarer v5.5 and this happened, and I had to quit and restart it.

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A bit shame to be forced on enhanced display, because I run Wayfarer on a non-enhanced display to save some graphics memory. My 64 MB isn't quite enough to keep everything on enhanced displays, and even now I have to iconify Wayfarer occasionally when launching more programs or watching 720p videos etc. Just launching Wayfarer on an enhanced display will consume 8-16 MB more than on a non-enhanced display.

But what can you do if there aren't other options... I guess I'll just hide programs/screens more :)

BTW. would the TinyGL/Enhanced usage give any speed advantage when displaying web pages?

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It's not unlikely that it ends up being slower on this old PPC machines. Little VRAM and slow RAM <-> VRAM transfer to compensate.

A workaround is currently being tested. I also found the time to rebase to WebKitGTK 2.40.5.

\o/

Quote: We are sooo lucky to have someone as capable as you (& Piru, etc.?) working on this seemingly intrinsic part of MorphOS's capabilities!

Wayfarer 6.6 is now available!

This version updates WebKit to WebKitGTK 2.40.5 (and is likely the last update before Wayfarer 7). This build also works around the issues with PayPal and improves performance on websites that abuse DOM timers (especially with throttling enabled in settings).

As always, please update via 'Check for Updates' functionality of Wayfarer.

Thanks, Jacek!

Did I get it right for the news article: with DOM, you mean this?
https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_htmldom.asp

Thanks!

You never fail to impress! Thanks Jaca.

@Jacek

Little suggestion: make the red square on the right side of the address line - saying, there is media on the website - red, if some of the mdia options, which are required, are not enabled and black, if everything is enabled?!

perfect
youtube crash sometimes with safari and chrome agent
i ll see later other agent
thanks

@man,

There is nothing I can do if you don't send bugreports after a crash.

ok
perhaps it s only on powerbookg4 or i have to reinstall completely Wayfarer
i ll send bug if crash again
thanks