WOW! the MorphOS1.5 is comming! GREAT!

TNX to the MorphOS-Team

greetings Cor van Londen from Holland .

Oh man, not again. Whats this? Every year the same discussion about this old joke from morphos-news.de?

Hmmm... I think people still belive, that MorphOS team wants to do
something for users.... I think morphos is dead. Kill it MorphOS-Team.
Some people sell pegasoses for linux users... I work still on MorphOS,
but think, maybe it would be better start support AROS-Team?
Unfrtunately I don't belive MorphOS-team :(

Can't you see the work the MOS team is currently carrying out ? I understand the wait may be frustrating, but 1.5 release won't happen before everything is really finished.

We just lack some kind of vague official progress report, it would be enough to most :)

I agree with mahen, we could use an unofficial progress report. It doesn't have to give deadlines or dates. It could basically reassure users "hey, we are getting some important development done" and perhaps talk about whether the next version will be free for download or commercial.

Nah, what we really need is a video showing a l33t reimplementation of a classic feature!!!11

Unfortunately i can't see any progress... For my question what they
must do and how long time they need, MOSTeam says: "we can't told
you". And I don't believe after some informal news, about it that
tcpip stack still is not ready. Sorry in this moment they should do
something like Krashan with ezTCP. Tell us, what is to do else and for
example every month inform us what is ready and when everything
should be done!



[ Edited by Kaczus on 2005/8/23 11:49 ]

I thought the TCP/IP task was ready for a long time.

What is probably not ready is : (from the little I can guess, juste to give an example)

- a better tinyGL
- MUI 4 not alpha (probably doesn't need much more work)
- A really complete Ambient (the most important is done)
- Poseidon 3 (should be ready soon)
...

So all those components must be finished before we see MOS 1.5. :)

Of course, I mostly underlined some (more or less) external contributions, because I'm not close to any MOS core developer ;) But at least those things are good enough reasons to postpone the MOS 1.5 commercial release.

But why, oh why, don't we get any kind of progress report - anything, as vague as it could be. When there were the MOS Team-Genesi-Zapek issues, I could understand. But now ? :) Because, yes, it hurts the project, if they want to sell it :)

(No, I don't complain, I don't particularly personally need new features, I already don't have enough time to do what I want to :)

Also I realize the luck we have to have such an experienced team of persons almost just working for a few of us and accepting not to earn anything.

[ Edited by mahen on 2005/8/23 12:00 ]

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The sad part in this is that it's even possible for you to say "every year" ...

C'mon guys!!!! MorphOS 1.5 will be release soon...very soon..... I have a feeling about this

I have a feeling about this

I have an opposite feeling about this.

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No offence but I think that this kind of thinking is naive... In my opinion "mos 1.5" (or whatever version or name it would has) will not be released ever. Try to talk with morphos team developers and they tell you (or not) what is true. Many of them did nothing (or almost nothing) for years, on the other hand there are some people that are active but because of no new kernel available for users they can't release their software.
Why do you think that Krashan is not in the most anymore (since two months or more)? What about MUI4 that was designed to work only with the newest morphos kernel and then MUI author had to waste his time to adjust MUI4 to mos 1.4, etc.

I think that nowadays MorphOS is not developed for users anymore like in the years before support from thendic/Genesi or even worse. Development is probably slow, MorphOS team is not interested in release newest version of his product and moreover they have nothing to tell us (users) because there is nothing to show and there are more bad than good news.

@grxmrx:
This thinking is plain stupid. 1.4.5 was released a few months ago. It contained fixes also right in the heart of the system (like in Trance). Besides, Frank Mariak, author of CGFX stated on the (currently offline) MOS ML after 1.4.5 release, that "we're finally heading for 1.5 release".

Apart from the version number, my MOS system evolved so much since i started using it one and a half year ago. New drivers for network/gfx/audio, new AHI, new desktop, new MUI, new console, new SDK, new whatever... Also dozens of new utils and apps. I hardly call it a dead system, which has no future.

There were problems. There are problems. Even personal ones. But i know that active developers won't let their work die just because few other frustrated or inactive ones want them to do so. So i'm quite certain we'll get at least most of the developments happenned in the past years. As part of 1.5 (or whatever next release will be called), or maybe as individual packages. But we'll have them, you can be sure about that.

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Frank Mariak and some others are (or may be) OK but they would not release anything that require a new kernel.
"There are problems", yes there are problems and there is not any solution for users. I know that some users has just sold their pegasoses to linux users or have lost their interest irrevocably in morphos. Why? Bocause of silence from morphos team, unclear future and so on.
Please tell me what parts of the morphos do you think are still developed? Do you know how many people in the MorphOS Team are active and are able to fill the gaps? Why do you think they have not done any statesment yet?

Your are talking about 1.4.4-5. I must say that it was positive sign but why there was added so old morphos kernel? I know that morphos developers are using newest kernel for years, so why?
i.e. bigfoot has made radeon 3D drivers, let's say that there are such drivers, kiero made newest tinygl. So what? I think one of the reasons that they cannot release this software for users is the morphos kernel that users have with 1.4.4-5 (it's too old). Who will use morphos version of Blender, etc.? Only two, four guys? Do I have to summon other examples?

a suprise can come, but maybe not in days it's a joke, but Os4 will be released soon and i know that mos1.5 or not, but something should be released at the same time maybe the last and final update but a lion fight to death and never surrender
wait we can be suprised by the last rrr of the lion

i believe

@grxmrx:
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Because it was a bugfix release, not a release aimed for new features? Yes, it got new features, which were easy to backport. Simple, huh?

About new stuff: yes new stuff is used by the core guys since a long time. But it's also not released yet, because it's not finalized. Quite a few internal API changed even in the last months, which you don't (and normally shouldn't) know about. And i can tell you reasons for this, and take OS4 as bad example (on this area), but i don't want to do it. So let's face it: you don't get thoose new features because they're not ready. Simple as that. If you like to have half-ready stuff which everyone has access to, use Linux.

Whining is easy, creating new stuff is hard. Too many people choose the easy way...

The main problem is not lack of this mythical Morphos 1.5, but the silence. The worst thing is Morphos developers don't care about us, users. They didn't say a single word about current situation with Morphos.

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The most talketive bird is the parrot, but it doesn't fly very much... Seriously, they do speak to the ones who ask serious questions, eg. regarding application development for example. They simply ignore the whining about release dates and such stuff. And that's right, if you ask me. Not easy, but right.

If main MorphOS developers decided to kill MorphOS - it's their decision. I don't care about it and continue to develop my projects.

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Are some components ever finished? A newer and better TinyGL is ready, but it's still worked on AFAIK. And that's *good*.
That's just an example, but I bet work is being carried on in many areas - most of the original team seems to be still in charge, and some others joined.
So, why MOS 1.5 has not been released so far? Recently Ralph stated (on IRC) that he won't accept a 1.5 release until some milestones are reached, nor a substandard release. That's probably because 1.5 is going to be a commercial release (my guess), anyway they are continuing the development and they want it to be a top notch release.

Kind regards,
Andrea

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No, not in this cases at least. Both the newer TinyGL and newer VooDoo drivers (but those for Radeon might not be different) have been shown working on standard MOS installations (this might have changed recently, but I don't think so). They will be released in an organic update, or at least this seems to be the target. In that case I wouldn't consider it bad. BTW; I guess there's not only TinyGL and 3D capabilities in 1.5 but some more...
Anyway, we should enjoy what we have. After all I don't need much more to have fun, although it will be better when MOS will be updated.
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Do you really think people keep developing for two or three of them, or because they know that, when everything will be done and in place, everybody will enjoy the developments?

Kind regards,
Andrea

I know that some users has just sold their pegasoses to linux users or have lost their interest irrevocably in morphos. Why? Bocause of silence from morphos team, unclear future and so on.

Here is one , I like MOS and i played with (MOS 0.4) it in my 1200PPC from 1999 till April 2004 and then get a PegIIG4 with MOS1.4, then with no hope to the future of Peg+Mos, as i only get my peg to have the most fast and coolest OS in earth, i give up, not proud of this but, we all have limits, and a community with no development or even some news about releases from the core coders, we can only wait or leave, as we can see, we are leaving, slowly but sadly leaving.

I have exchanged my Peg for a IBM Notebook.


[ Edited by DDJ on 2005/8/23 20:27 ]

I dont want you stopping you projects man, but this sounds like.

"I dont care if this Jet will crash on that mountain, i will be sitting here checking my duties" and pretending that everything is going good.

Sorry dude ;).

You guys, you are so pessimistic.....

It's just a hobby. I have fun developing for MorphOS so why sould I stop this? When the fun is over, then I'll just drop it.