"First Contact" AmigaOne X1000 arrives
  • vox
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    vox
    Posts: 524 from 2003/11/25
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    redrumloa wrote:
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > TWO GRAND for a motherboard!?!?

    There's no surprise to that. If you take the well known X1000 system price and subtract what case, graphics card, RAM, HDD and optical drive are worth, that's where you arrive at.


    I am replying some months later, but I doubt the price increased since the post I am replying to.

    It isn't two grand, it is THREE GRAND for a motherboard which under performs a $30 Raspberry Pi.

    1775 British Pound Sterling equals
    2965.49 US Dollar

    That is before shipping.

    Nuttier than a fruitcake. But hey, a sucker is born every day is what P. T. Barnum (allegedly) used to say.


    Its about dual Athom based computer, or kind of dual Sempron 1.8Ghz in AMD terms - that is when its fully used in Linux.

    Surely, made in small quantities, means expensive.

    In PPC comparison and real use (e.g. Blender) its about G4 1.5Ghz when both cores are used.

    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35671&forum=34&start=140&viewmode=flat&order=0

    Here is an openbenchmark (Phoronix) results under Linux
    http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1310106-AR-AMIGAONE027
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  • »13.08.14 - 16:00
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12113 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Surely, currently most expensive board in the universe.

    Many Freescale boards are more expensive:

    http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/brochure/PWRARCHQIQSG.pdf
  • »13.08.14 - 22:13
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12113 from 2003/5/22
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    >>> TWO GRAND for a motherboard!?!?

    >> There's no surprise to that. If you take the well known X1000 system price
    >> and subtract what case, graphics card, RAM, HDD and optical drive are worth,
    >> that's where you arrive at.

    > It isn't two grand, it is THREE GRAND [...]. 1775 British Pound Sterling

    ...is even less than two grand. Maybe you shouldn't assume that non-US people use US Dollar as base currency.

    > for a motherboard which under performs a $30 Raspberry Pi.

    For the most part (i.e. everything bar video transcoding) it doesn't.
  • »13.08.14 - 22:23
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  • vox
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    vox
    Posts: 524 from 2003/11/25
    From: Belgrade
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Surely, currently most expensive board in the universe.

    Many Freescale boards are more expensive:

    http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/brochure/PWRARCHQIQSG.pdf


    Thanks for the info. Well that could be used as nice argunent to justify the future Cyrus price :-) Well see.
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  • »13.08.14 - 23:35
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    KimmoK
    Posts: 102 from 2003/5/19
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    vox wrote:
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    In PPC comparison and real use (e.g. Blender) its about G4 1.5Ghz when both cores are used.
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35671&forum=34&start=140&viewmode=flat&order=0



    My summary:
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35671&forum=34&start=160&viewmode=flat&order=0#665666

    "112s blender 2.62 PA6T 1.8Ghz Dualcore (LinuxMint)
    113s blender 2.62 G4 1.8Ghz DualCPU !"

    So PA6T is 2x faster than single G4.

    @PA6T vs Pi performance
    Pi performs like ~300Mhz Pentium2.
    PA6T performs like 1.8Ghz Pentium2 per core. (very roughly)

    (the problem beside x1000 price is that so far AOS4 utilizes very little of the performance of x1000 system. It uses less than 50% of CPU power and none of the 3D power or video acceleration.)

    @Cyrus price

    Now when 4...24 core PPC dev boards can be bought below eur2000, I think Cyrus should also be priced closer to those.

    [ Edited by KimmoK 14.08.2014 - 09:26 ]
    :-x :-P 8-)
  • »14.08.14 - 09:07
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 12113 from 2003/5/22
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    > 24 core PPC

    It's 12 dual-threaded cores.
  • »14.08.14 - 17:12
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  • vox
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    vox
    Posts: 524 from 2003/11/25
    From: Belgrade
    Quote:

    KimmoK wrote:
    Quote:

    vox wrote:
    ...
    In PPC comparison and real use (e.g. Blender) its about G4 1.5Ghz when both cores are used.
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35671&forum=34&start=140&viewmode=flat&order=0



    My summary:
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35671&forum=34&start=160&viewmode=flat&order=0#665666

    "112s blender 2.62 PA6T 1.8Ghz Dualcore (LinuxMint)
    113s blender 2.62 G4 1.8Ghz DualCPU !"

    So PA6T is 2x faster than single G4.

    @PA6T vs Pi performance
    Pi performs like ~300Mhz Pentium2.
    PA6T performs like 1.8Ghz Pentium2 per core. (very roughly)

    (the problem beside x1000 price is that so far AOS4 utilizes very little of the performance of x1000 system. It uses less than 50% of CPU power and none of the 3D power or video acceleration.)

    @Cyrus price

    Now when 4...24 core PPC dev boards can be bought below eur2000, I think Cyrus should also be priced closer to those.


    Completely agree. In modern day terms its about Sempron/Celeron performance. Not so bad either, but downside is OS4 usess very little of it. Especially that PA Semi strenghts aren`t in CPU Power but in fast memory access. a bit better FPU performance and quite modern features for the time CPU was released.
    (Six execution units including a double precision FPU and Altivec unit
    Hypervisor and virtualization support, SGMII, Offload engine for cryptography, RAID, TCP)

    Surely, as name suggests its more power efficient than power in today terms.
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  • »14.08.14 - 19:38
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