First X1000 benchmark revealed
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    Miky060,
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    I disagree about possibility to port MOS to the x1000. It would require time and resources that the MOS Team could better spend to work on MOS release for the PowerMac G5 instead.
    MOS Team is not an enormous team, we all know this, so every hardware added to the MorphOS compatibility list take them about a couple of years (we're still waiting for Powerbook support..) so it would be very frustrating to see them waste a couple of years of development to support an overpriced hardware that almost nobody here would buy! It has no sense. I would prefer them to spend their development time to support hardware that we all can buy (read: PowerMac G5s..)


    Precisely. And the available statements sound that this is exactly the way the MorphOS team thinks and decides.
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    Dave,

    I think we should do as you have done, personal sacrifice to help the MOS community. We have a very special OS with lots of wonderful features. 3.0 will breath lots of fresh air into the scene for us, and we might all be surprised how many new users we pick up. I have lots of ex Amiga now Mac guys that will buy MOS for their PB's for the fun of using an Amiga like system on their HW. There is a lot of Amiga users that went to Mac in the mid to late 90's that are a real target market we still can bring back. The biggest problem as I see it, is just finding the time to push the OS and finding old Amiga buddies that still have spare time to enjoy MOS.


    most old amiga buddies will check OS4 first, because it has the Amiga name, sadly. MorphOS lacks this marketing advantage, and will always suffer from it.
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    SoundSquare,
    I agree it doesn't have the name and that will be an issue for some, from my experience all of my old amiga friends want to try MOS because they either want to make some use of their Mac or because they liked a particular application from the Amiga. Interestingly, not one of them even mentioned the name and just wanted to see it in action. MOS will speak for itself to all those who present it to others. The issue will be for those without a friend using MOS and just search on Amiga...

    I bought a Peg 2 with MOS because I researched the best Amiga replacement for my needs. So I cut through the hype to find the best modern replacement.

    All that being said, MOS does have a disadvantage because of the name. From my personnal experience I know one friend that follows AmigaOS because of the name (hasn't bought into it yet) and 7 that are mac guys that haven't followed the Amiga in 10 years and loved my quick demo of MOS 2.7 and many of them are planning to buy 3.0.

    The big difference I was the salesman to get them interested...
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    I think X1000 is waaaay overpriced


    It's insane, as simple as that.

    And so are the people buying it.

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    and has its weaknesses.


    It has *no strengths* that matches its price.

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    the X1000 is probably the fastest ppc Amiga yet.


    Yes probably, a shame otherwise, but MorphOS remains the fastest "Amiga" OS, and the 2GHz G4 PowerMac "Amiga" mentioned above probably doesn't come that much behind actually!

    (Note how I use the quotation marked "Amiga" above to describe something that isn't branded Amiga, just like Trevor Dickinson does! ;-) :-P)

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    But the numbers presented so far make me feel the X1000 will have a pretty hard time once G5 support will come.


    Based on the communications I have seen from the MorphOS Team on this issue, a migration to a different architecture (x86 or ARM) seems more probable than G5 support...
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
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    @SoundSquare

    At that price, with those spec's, that performance, that OS with those features, it could be branded "Jennifer Lopez will come to your home and give you a blow-job if you buy this thing", and it still wouldn't sell outside the closed circle of nut cases...
    MorphOS is Amiga done right! :-)
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    J-Lo you say... I would at least give it a proper thought.
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    Can I choose Eva Green instead?

    Instead of the X1000, that is.
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    @hooligan

    Hehe, somehow I just *knew* you would bite! :-)

    Hmm, after giving it some more thought, I have come to the conclusion that *it would* be worth it! Heck, I would even throw in an extra $1,000 if I could use my video camera! :-)
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    Ruud,

    could you do the lame mp3 encoding test with your 7448?
    On my Mac mini it took 19s (w/ Altivec that is, but why hide Altivec when it is actually there & supported)..
    Just decode http://www.maninblack.org/demos/WhereDoAllTheJunkiesComeFrom.mp3 and encode it again (with default settings).
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    @SoundSquare

    At that price, with those spec's, that performance, that OS with those features, it could be branded "Jennifer Lopez will come to your home and give you a blow-job if you buy this thing", and it still wouldn't sell outside the closed circle of nut cases...


    but which closed circle is the biggest and most visible one ?

    I sometimes talk about morphos around me when i thnk i have someone who may pay attention to it not ony for polite reasons. But most of the time, when i mention the "amiga" legacy and the existence of OS4, i'm asked for the hyperion website adress, not the morphOS team one. The name does it all for most people, despite the fact that the OS is rubbish. And it's the same for most stuff. People buy the Beats by Dre headphones massively while they have such a poor sound quality and high price (true piece of shit), people buy apple hardware because they have a great marketing and design (but apple hardware became less and less reliable in years), they buy iPods when Cowon would bring them far superior sound quality, people buy branded products, not quality ones.
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    Miky060,
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    disagree about possibility to port MOS to the x1000. It would require time and resources that the MOS Team could better spend to work on MOS release for the PowerMac G5 instead.
    MOS Team is not an enormous team, we all know this, so every hardware added to the MorphOS compatibility list take them about a couple of years (we're still waiting for Powerbook support..) so it would be very frustrating to see them waste a couple of years of development to support an overpriced hardware that almost nobody here would buy! It has no sense. I would prefer them to spend their development time to support hardware that we all can buy (read: PowerMac G5s..)



    +1
    I'll never EVER buy a so overpriced piece of hw, for me it's insanely pricey and I think that, atleast here in Italy, with this very bad economical situation, noone I know will be able in the next years to pay a 4 digit number to buy a computer!
    With no offence for people who can afford this!
    In my POV better concentrate on ppc macs and then migrate to cheap X86 hw sooner or later...
    Just my 2 cents
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    Zylesea,
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    The lame test of http://forum.amigaone.pl/topic65.html shows numbers that are much closer to my expectation. X1000 about twice the speed of a Mac mini. Waiting for more numbers...

    Except that the MorphOS results in that graph are wrong (probably due to non-altivec lame).

    Here are the proper results:
    lame_benchmark.png
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    Zylesea,

    My 7448 took 14s and my overclocked mac mini @ 1.83GHz took 15s
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    @Miky060,
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    I disagree about possibility to port MOS to the x1000. It would require time and resources that the MOS Team could better spend to work on MOS release for the PowerMac G5 instead.
    MOS Team is not an enormous team, we all know this, so every hardware added to the MorphOS compatibility list take them about a couple of years (we're still waiting for Powerbook support..) so it would be very frustrating to see them waste a couple of years of development to support an overpriced hardware that almost nobody here would buy! It has no sense. I would prefer them to spend their development time to support hardware that we all can buy (read: PowerMac G5s..)



    Who are you disagreeing with? I don't see anyone in this tread that thinks that porting MorphOS to the X1000 is a good idea or feasible. I sure don't, even though I would like to see it happen, I don't think it ever will, or that it is a good idea for the MorphOS Dev. Team, or the users. The G5 Mac's are a much better target, even if they were not faster than the X1000 it would still be a better choice, due to the price and availability of the G5's for all MorphOS users.

    I hope that the Dev. Team will follow up with their support of the G5 after they are finished with all work needed on supporting the G4 PowerBook and bug fixes/feature enhancements for all currently supported G4 models. Since it seems to have been not too difficult to do the "proof of concept" for the G5's that have already been shown and demonstrated, hopefully it will be much easier and quicker to complete work to support the G5's than it would be to support some other custom PPC motherboard, or the huge amount of work that will be required to move MorphOS to a different architecture, such as ARM or x86. My dual 2.7GHz G5 PowerMac is waiting and ready for MorphOS3.5, or 4.0, if/when it is done.
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    My 7448 took 14s and my overclocked mac mini @ 1.83GHz took 15s


    14 seconds? That's *four seconds faster* than the X1000 in that Polish graph above! :-o 8-)
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    @takemehomegrandma,

    Thanks for the insults.
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    Thanks for the insults.


    What do you mean?
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    Don't you remember what you have posted in this thread?

    "It's insane, as simple as that.

    And so are the people buying it."

    and

    "...and it still wouldn't sell outside the closed circle of nut cases..."

    In case you haven't been keeping up with my posts, I am a purchaser of the X1000 and expect mine to be delivered next week.

    I don't expect anyone else to agree with my decision to purchase it, but would rather not be labeled an "insane nutcase" by you, or anyone outside my immediate family and close friends.

    [ Edited by amigadave 02.02.2012 - 18:31 ]
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    amigadave,


    I would agree, pretty rude comments.

    If takemehomegrandma is an adult, I would be ashamed and I am sure if friends and family saw me posting comments like that, they would let me know about it. I would soon be friendless if I acted that that often.

    We all have bad days I guess but I can't remember making remarks like that to anyone and belittling other people.

    I would be embarrassed if it were me acting like that.

    Especially the Jennifer Lopez comments that were made.

    I have no problem when among friends in private having fun like that as I am no prude but in a public forum where younger MorphOS users can read stuff like that, or folks that don't expect that kind of trash to be in a MorphOS forum, those comments are out of line.

    tj


    [ Edited by macsociety 02.02.2012 - 19:13 ]
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    This is done on a Quicksilver 2002 @ 800Mhz.

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    Ram Disk:> lame AKsack.wav
    LAME 3.98.4 32bits (http://www.mp3dev.org/)
    Using polyphase lowpass filter, transition band: 16538 Hz - 17071 Hz
    Encoding AKsack.wav to AKsack.wav.mp3
    Encoding as 44.1 kHz j-stereo MPEG-1 Layer III (11x) 128 kbps qval=3
    Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA
    10529/10529 (100%)| 0:35/ 0:35| 0:35/ 0:35| 7.7828x| 0:00
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    kbps MS % long switch short %
    128.0 100.0 76.1 13.4 10.5
    Writing LAME Tag...done
    ReplayGain: +0.5dB


    So let me get this straight. My PowerMac that cost me $30 ($225 to date with MorphOS reg, Radeon 8500 etc) is a whopping 18 seconds faster than a "Amigaone X500" Sam460EX system that costs about $1,400??? Yowsa!!!
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    Red,

    Cost has nothing to do with the speed of a system. Specially if you are comparing used gear to new hardware.

    As I have said too many times before. Promote MorphOS with positive actions and not by belittling other people, or their choices. MorphOS should be good enough to stand on it's own merits, without having to disrespect anything, or anyone else.

    (not that I found your post in particular that offensive, but it is the general attitude of MorphOS users that I am trying to change, so we can attract more users and developers and get more software)
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    @amigadave and macsociety

    Maybe both live on another planet than me, but consider insults the words of takemehome... is crazy, he just tell a truth.
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    You tell him Dave! Personally i wish i could afford to buy one as it would be really cool having new hardware and not be stuck using 5 year old junk that MOS systems are mostly limited to. Also i don't really understand the argument of the x1000 being underpowered and overpriced compared to something like Redrumloa's $30 Powermac. I don't think anyone would buy the x1000 for the performance. It's the smile on your face you will get when you start it up for the first time. If you don't believe me go onto Amiga.org and watch Amigasociety's video of him switching it on for the first time. It's priceless :-)

    I use a Macmini and i think it is a piece of Apple junk. Who cares if Red got his Powermac, that can out perform an x500, on the cheap. It still doesn't change the fact that it is a piece of crap.

    @Red. Nothing personal - i was just making a point so I'm sorry if i offended you.

    As for the offensive behaviour by users i agree that it should be dealt with and people should act like adults. If someone has something to say to someone send a PM.
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    I don't think anyone would buy the x1000 for the performance.



    I think MacSociety has his SAM for sale. Perhaps you want it?

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    It's the smile on your face you will get when you start it up for the first time. If you don't believe me go onto Amiga.org and watch Amigasociety's video of him switching it on for the first time.



    Well, OS4 is more like social network thing. You feel you are missing something if you are not like them. How many times you are going to switch it on for the first time? After one month you figure out it is not more special than any other 10$ PC and you get bored with it. Just like that other OS4 gear MacSociety bought but stopped using.

    It is always like this. First there is excitment. Then they are asking when is new hardware coming.

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    I use a Macmini and i think it is a piece of Apple junk. Who cares if Red got his Powermac, that can out perform an x500, on the cheap. It still doesn't change the fact that it is a piece of crap.



    At least it didn't cost a fortune to buy crap hardware :-)


    [ Edited by itix 03.02.2012 - 08:04 ]
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    Itix, still using and decided to keep my Sam. Having asked around what others uses for 2 modern Amiga systems, there were many good ideas, so happy to say both my AOS machines will see good use.

    At first I figured selling the SAM at a much lower price would be nice but in the end keeping it makes most sense for now.

    Tj
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