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Pretty easy, consider the man's position on micro kernels (are you aware of it?), and considering the real time OS I have used them under in the past.
And as far as 'facepalmimg' goes, what kind of kernel does MorphOS use again?

I was able to load and unload drivers under earlier OS' long before I could do it under Linux based ones.
That still isn't the case in all instances under monolithic kernels.

Maybe you should discuss this with Ralph, not me.

And you are never joining the dark side.
YOU have a sense of humor and that is not allowed there.

And, again, I am against deifying Linus.

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Hello!

Somewhat off topic, but Jim, for about equivalent price of an iThing (iCing), there's the Neo900! It's not android nor ios... The project is in progress, pre-orders are ok! I just now haven't the money for it but as soon as, I go!
I have for now two N900's and it's a pleasure not to have always stupid permissions to let to any apps!!!!

Off topic, but ti's ARM afterall! And even the N900 with it's little Cortex A8 is quite efficient under Maemo...

MorphOSian salutations!

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> One of the few points in time when I wished I was on the red side. How I could ridicule
> Jim ...... how I could troll him with this statement for years to come.....
> ..... all the fun missed ......... *facepalm*

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=11301&start=134

;-)

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Yes, you had a point then, and I didn't care for Linux anymore back then.
I just didn't expect to get a hard time from Kronos about it.
Its like hearing a good friend has decided to only buy Apple hardware and clothes from the Gap.

Think someone slipped a pod under his bed last night?

@Jim
I'm sure there is a terabyte worth of Usenet posts you might want to catch up on the topic of mikrokernels vs. monolithic ones.

Other than that the main difference between Linus and Ralph is that one reimplementation of a popular OS is a million times (literally) more sucessfull than the other.

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Remind me how all drivers run in separate memory spaces from Exec Jim. ;)

And there's more...

The new low end 64-bit Cortex A-35.
It uses a whopping 0.09 Watts at 1GHz.

This is for really cheap phones, so that $9 board could be 64-bit in the not too distant future.



BTW I thought the $9 board was topical because the performance is probably not that far behind the Tabor board...

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There are people on this website who have managed to get a Mac with better performance for free so even 9 USD is not that impressive

Seriously, I find higher cost hardware such as NVidias JTX1 a lot more interesting if you plan to run a roughly 50 - 100 USD operating system on it...
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia-tegra-jtx1&num=1

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Ah, an old argument.
Linux continually gets updated to cover its shortfalls.
Every so often, I will download a distro, use it briefly then go back to a commercial OS.
It invariably does something that fails me.

And I really wish someone had not brought up rooted phones.
I'm looking at mine right now with an eye toward throwing it against a wall.

Further, I should know not to argue with Kronos (especially when he has numbers on his side).

Then again, the mob does rule.
That is how the wintel platform got a lead.
Doesn't make it right.

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That spec sure looks like it reads "Debian GNU/Linux" on the current model in development.
And its got a smaller screen than my current cursed phone.

Hey, I can be a curmudgeon, too.

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You've lost me now Jim.

Your original complaint was that Linux drivers run in kernel space no?

MorphOS (More specifically the A/Box) uses the Exec kernel.

Where do drivers run under Exec?

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"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." - Benjamin Franklin

"I'm a hard worker." - George W. Bush Jim

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And others get their house for free because the parents give it to them. Doesn't mean that this true for most of us.
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THis one looks nice but Nvidia means that we have no single driver for any of their cards and as fa as I remember this was the main reason for chosing Radeon: because they have a better driver documentation. So I guess boarsds like these (boards with any Nvidia graphic chips) are off by default.

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This is a rather crude comparison. My point is that if all you care about is to get the cheapest possible hardware to run MorphOS on, then chances are good you will be able to get an eMac or similar hardware either for free or close to free sooner or later.

Are there going to be exceptions depending on where you live? Obviously, but then again the cited 9 USD is not going to be matched everywhere either due to varying VAT rates, customs tariffs, shipping fees, and so on.

Put more succinctly, access to extremely low-cost hardware is hardly an argument in favor of moving to ARM. The current hardware options already feature a wide gamut of price points. It is the performance area that is a bit lacking.

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There is an open source driver for the previous generation of the Tegra (K1) at least which nVidia contributed to, but this is very much besides my point: I was not proposing to port MorphOS to this particular hardware or even ARM in general. I was merely stating that I personally find higher end hardware options more interesting as those could offer existing users a performance upgrade.

As far as MorphZone visitors are concerned, requests for faster hardware are certainly a lot more frequent than complaints about excessively high hardware prices (not sure if any recent ones exist) ...

> Haven't heard much recently but X-Gene 2 was due soon with 3 fairly soon after.

More details on X-Gene 3 have been announced while X-Gene 2 is still sampling according to http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1328249

Press release:
http://www.apm.com/news/appliedmicro-announces-x-gene-3-the-industrys-first-armv8-a-finfet-server-s/

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I wasn't suggesting the $9 board as a porting target, more expressing surprise at what you can get for $9 these days!

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Would it surprise you that there are benchmarks showing that Nvidia board getting trounced by the iPhone 6S?

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Wow, those G5s have really come down in price! I guess cheap hardware isn't a problem at the moment.

That said they're getting on a bit now. The next gen phones coming in now should show a clear lead over the G5s.

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Unfortunately, the pricing on Kickstarter is misleading because 9 USD is not the final price a EU-based customer should have to pay after VAT and potential customs charges (depends on the total order volume).

Furthermore, according to the European WEEE regulations, Next Thing Co. are legally required to register in the national registry of each EU member state where the company sells to end users, in order to fulfil take-back obligations, to report on the quantities placed on the market of each member state, and so on. All of this requires time and adds administrative overhead and costs.

The only way to offer their hardware at 9 USD to EU-based customers would be by breaking the law...

I understand that this is besides your point but I just find it unfortunate how Kickstarter campaigns like this one can skew the price perceptions of consumers who then wrongly complain about being overcharged by greedy local retailers.

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Actually, it would not surprise me and I also would not be bothered by it. I mentioned the board because it has a standard desktop-ready form factor as well as 16 GB of memory. Even though the iPhone 6S´ CPU may be faster, I would not want to run a traditional modern desktop operating system on a computing device with just 2 GB of RAM.

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Not unless you are an impulse buyer who wants to find a cheap offer within minutes. Anybody who is a bit patient should be able to find a good deal.

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For now, they will also cost more, however

iPad Pro is getting some good numbers:

http://wccftech.com/apple-a9xipad-pro-benchmarks/

Raspberry for 5$

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero/

unbelievable

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Even given away for free as a "cover disk" of the December issue of The MagPi!

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AROS is looking very attractive right now.

THe situation of AROS does not change. It already had the cheapest hardware available. It just turned cheaper. AROS still has the same bugs and lacks the same features as before. And a computer without internet socket isn't much attractive. Or you have to buy a USB WiFi stick. But is there support for AROS for any of them or the one from the Pi shop?

huh? What? : ) Situation changed very much for AROS.

not a single bit. and this website and discussion is about MOS but not AROS.

What? User base exploded compared to aros i386 with the release of pi. So something changed.