Andreas_Wolf,
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Because the apps are ALL web based.

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I'd like to see more numbers. Anything with Javascript is a rather dubious way to benchmark. This is more so across architectures where you're running different code.

I expect some other benchmarks will show rather closer results.

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IIRC you can cache things so it will work when it is not on-line.

OTOH a Google employee has already shown how to install Ubuntu. It doesn't appear to be locked to Chrome OS.

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No kidding. It costs less than *any* Sam board ...and you don't have to add memory.

If Ubuntu can be installed, then we have to worry about the limited local storage.
And yes, any new PPC board would probably be several times the cost of this.

But, it would not involve an ISA change.

And even so, I will probably find myself buying something ARM based eventually.

I'm not sure why. As I've mentioned, I have 1.6 and 1.8 dual core Atom based netbooks which are probably just as capable (and cost me less). And I know I could run Ubuntu on both of those as they both have hard drives.

Curiousity I guess.
And still, compared to ARM, I'd rather have a PPC (for now, and the near future).

>>> what do I do w/o wifi access?

>> Why do you think you couldn't use it?

> Because the apps are ALL web based.

I still don't get it. Why do you think you can't access the Web indirectly via Wi-Fi to your router/modem instead of directly via the ChromeBook's cellular chipset? The cheaper one of the two models doesn't even have any cellular connectivity as it is Wi-Fi-only. How is this model supposed to connect to the Web if not via Wi-Fi?

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7675&start=354

Oh, now I understand your question.
Yes, I'm nly interested in the wifi version.
And I have that set up at home and at most locations at my workplace.

But what about elsewhere?

> Oh, now I understand your question.

And I understand your original statement now and can see that I read it wrong. My bad. You were referring to the (non-)presence of a network which I misunderstood as referring to the (non-)presence of means for Wi-Fi connectivity inside the device.

> I have that set up at home and at most locations at my workplace.
> But what about elsewhere?

You'd be going to be stranded then, true, as long as you're reluctant to using cellular connectivity in such situations. To my mind, cloud-based operating systems are a bad idea from the start. I want my data *and* my applications to reside on my device. But as minator said, you can put Ubuntu on it and be done. Of course, 16 GiB storage (which would have to include the OS as well) isn't much though. So this objection of yours is very much valid.

Andreas_Wolf,
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On that I wholly agree with you.
The only place I've found cloud applications to be useful is in accounting.
A friend of my uses the online version of Quickbooks and his accountant has access to his files without a sneaker net transfer.

I wonder if there is a way to expand the Chromebook beyond its 16mb storage limitation?

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It's an SD card, you should be able to just use a bigger one.

Any idea how large and SD card it can take?
Ubuntu can be pretty big.
I'm not worried about file storage, as I can do that with a pen drive.

> Ubuntu can be pretty big.

Ubuntu (for x86, but shouldn't be much different for ARM) itself needs:

"5 GB of hard-drive space "
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements

This is about one third of the storage the ChromeBook comes with.

When I installed Ubuntu last (yesterday) it allowed up to 30GB to be reserved for the OS, but the figure you mention is the current actual size.
And that does leave some room for storage.
Not as much as I'd like, but other devices could be added.

Still, it compares poorly to the 120GB hard drives of my cheaper Atom based netbooks.

> the figure you mention is the current actual size.

AFAIK, the current actual size is about 2.5 GB. The 5 GB figure I mentioned includes about 2.5 GB initially unused space to be used later for downloading packages for updates etc., which is the minimum configuration apparently.

Why in the world does the OS give me an option to reserve 30GB then?
More Linux weirdness?

> Why in the world does the OS give me an option to reserve 30GB then?

When you do incremental updates of the packages, all older versions are kept in place in their archived form (until you decide to delete all old packages, which you can do via command line). The more often you do such incremental updates, i.e. the less updates you skip, the more storage those old packages will take up in sum.

"AMD has signed a license for a 64-bit processor design from ARM, ending its exclusive commitment to x86"

http://www.techworld.com.au/article/440450/amd_sell_arm-based_server_chips_2014/

> http://www.techworld.com.au/article/440450/amd_sell_arm-based_server_chips_2014/

Interesting. AMD is licensing an ARMv8 core from ARM Ltd., instead of designing their own ARMv8 core like nVidia, Applied Micro and Cavium do.

I think there is both licensing and design involved in *all* cases...

http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/arm-launches-cortex-a50-series-the-worlds-most-energy-efficient-64-bit-processors.php

Cortex-A53: ~1x "today’s superphone" performance using 1/4 of the power
"The most efficient ARM application processor ever"

Cortex-A57: ~3x "today’s superphone" performance using 1x of the power
"Provides computer performance comparable to a legacy PC,  while operating in a mobile power budget"

And they can be combined: "The Cortex-A53 processor combined with the Cortex-A57 and big.LITTLE processing technology will enable platforms with extreme performance range while radically reducing the energy consumption"


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>> AMD is licensing an ARMv8 core from ARM Ltd., instead of designing
>> their own ARMv8 core like nVidia, Applied Micro and Cavium do.

> I think there is both licensing and design involved in *all* cases...

Not with the cores, which is what my statement is referring to. I tried to explain this to you one month ago already:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=8783&start=23

Oh my god Andreas, sometimes I seriously wonder if you are for real...

> Oh my god Andreas

Some time ago someone used to nonsensically call me his "prophet" here on MorphZone. Now I am your "god". What's next? :-)

> sometimes I seriously wonder if you are for real...

I am, and so are my explanations to you that you tend to ignore.

My God, Andreas.
You are a prophet, but you will never be a deity.

Although, at times, I wonder if you are "for real" or just a really good artificial intelligence program.

The kind that WILL eventually exist, that will make us all feel...smaller.

> http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/arm-launches-cortex-a50-series-the-worlds-most-energy-efficient-64-bit-processors.php

Finally :-) Seems my assumption about Calxeda's Lago being their own core design was wrong. So in terms of 64-bit ARMv8 (AArch64) cores, there is announced so far:

- Cortex-A53 and Cortex-A57 from ARM Ltd.
- Denver from nVidia
- X-Gene from Applied Micro
- Thunder from Cavium

> You are a prophet

And here you had me hoping we were over this... ;-)