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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > "Cyrus" will *only* run the new SMP enabled kernel, and *not* the Amiga compatible one!

    He used present tense there, not future tense.
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    > To me it seems that T2080 could be pretty good PA6T replacement.

    Sampling now:

    http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1871882
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > To me it seems that T2080 could be pretty good PA6T replacement.

    Sampling now:

    http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1871882


    The T2080 looks like a good possible CPU for any PPC Amiga/Morph/AROS system, if any kind of multi-processor support can be completed. The fact that it includes Altivec is a plus.
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    Wow, glad I waited awhile before wading back into this one.
    I, for one, am still interested in current developments in PPC hardware and enjoy hearing about they endeavors of those promoting them.
    While I can understand takemehomegrandma's opinions on the impracticality of expecting people to pay $3000 for a new system, I can not join in his apparent desire to deride A-eon's new products.
    I am very comfortable with the direction that Paul Gentle and Varisys have taken A-eon's product line.
    Paul (and Andreas I might add) have been pointing to the Qorlq line for some time as the best choice for new development.
    Is this stuff expensive?
    Your damned right it is, and with the low sales volumes and relatively high processor prices I can't see this changing.
    BUT, at least someone is building new hardware.
    YEAH, its not X86 or ARM based.
    OUR operating system of choice does NOT run on those architectures.
    And if it ever will, or when it might, is completely in the hands of the developers - WHOSE JUDGEMENT I TRUST IMPLICITLY.

    Haven't we had a pretty good run these last several years?
    Do you see any mistakes in their judgement, because I do not.
    I have said this before, and until the adoption of an new ISA is announced I will keep repeating it,
    if you want to use X86 or ARM hardware, switch to AROS - and stop trying to bully the MorphOS developers to follow whatever course of action you deem correct.
    Do you honestly think these guys have remained in this community without the skills and abilities that allow them to render good judgments?

    Honestly, I have been in personal computing since its inception (from the early days when if you wanted it you built it), and frankly these guys are some of the most talented developers that I have ever been fortunate enough to know (and have had the blessing of using their creative outputs).

    Isn't it about "shut the fuck up" time?
    No, we have not explored that last useful PPC hardware.
    There is still Acube's product line, the other G5 Macs (especially the PCIe models), and even A-eon's new designs - which curiously enough feature processors that Andreas has been quietly point us toward for years.

    And if the developers should decide that they have tired from spending years working hard with virtually no reward at developing this OS, and that they can no longer handle the entirely too Amiga-like piss poor attitude of the user base, that they no longer care to throw their pearls before swine...

    I will have what we've been given. And in years to come I think I'll look back on this with a strong sense of admiration for the people who pushed this so far.

    Personally, I'd like to render my apologies for ever asking for more and my sincere thanks for what has been rendered.

    Damned good job guys.
    I wish I had something even marginally close to this in my resume.
    If you are not recognized in this life, I suspect you have accomplished enough to have earned your reward in the next.

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    @Jim

    I know what you mean, but I think there is another way of looking at it.

    Imagine MorphOS being released and everybody just "Oh, cool. Great job." and then return to another OS of choice. People then don't refrain from demand stuff or pester the developers because they are polite. They don't because they don't care.

    Having a lot of people demanding function A or program B is a clear sign of appriciation. They like this so much that they really wants this to move forward. Maybe a lot faster than whats realisticly possible, but you can't blame people for not understanding the true nature of the development process.

    I think that when people are vocal about their concern of the future (?) platform shift, it's simply because they want there to be a future. I'm one of them. And if that isn't a true sign of appriciation I don't know what is.

    [ Edited by Yasu 06.11.2013 - 13:52 ]
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    Trust me, over night I had some chance to think over that post and it may be a little over the top.
    And I too have my own opinions about an ISA change, if one occurs.

    But for now, can't we just be grateful that we have gotten this far?

    And, to takemehomegrandma, if it appears that I have abused you too, my apologias.
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    Quote:

    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    ...also interesting to see that the "Cyrus" will *only* run the new SMP enabled kernel, and *not* the Amiga compatible one! :-o



    Where have you read that the "new SMP enabled kernel" will not be "Amiga compatible"?

    Other than several assumptions from people outside Hyperion about any kind of multi-processor, or multi-core support breaking Amiga compatibility, I have not seen any definitive statements from Hyperion that their proposed "SMP support" will break Amiga compatibility.

    I trust many of the people who have been saying that "True SMP" (what ever that really means), cannot be accomplished without breaking Amiga backward compatibility, we don't yet know what kind of SMP support Hyperion is going to implement, and therefore don't know if it will break Amiga backward compatibility (unless I missed some statement from them).

    The impression I have gotten from the statements I have read from Hyperion lead me to believe the way they are going to implement some kind of multi-processor/core support will NOT break backward Amiga compatibility, but as I wrote above, I have not seen anything from Hyperion that clearly states one way or the other about backward Amiga compatibility.

    [ Edited by amigadave 06.11.2013 - 13:53 ]
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    > several assumptions from people outside Hyperion about any kind of multi-processor,
    > or multi-core support breaking Amiga compatibility

    Where have you seen those assumptions? I can only remember this being said about *symmetric* multiprocessing, and I think everybody has been in agreement that asymmetric multiprocessing won't break any compatibility.

    > we don't yet know what kind of SMP support Hyperion is going to implement

    What kinds of SMP support are there?
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    I think it is a safe assumption that Steven Solie does not know the difference between SMP and ASMP.
    Also, MorphOS, just by the nature of being able to support boxed environments, is already better suited to either than AmigaOS.
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    > As yet no reply from Chris Rains to the e-mail I sent asking for clarification/update on the
    > status of my pre-order enquiry. [...] I strongly suspect either it was a prospective 'test'
    > of the potential market for such a product, or (more cynically) a tool to boost Servergy's
    > value on paper.

    "P-Cubed (PowerLinux Dev/Compute Node Board)" mentioned in a Freescale presentation from October (uploaded 3 weeks ago):

    http://www.freescale.com/files/training/doc/dwf/DWF13_M2M_IoT_SDN_SanJose.pdf (page 23)

    (...and also revealed there that the successor of the P4080-based CTS-1000 will be based on the T4240.*)


    * Edit:

    "The company is also giving the industry a sneak-peek of its 64-bit Cleantech I/O accelerator and server [...]. The new 64-bit system is currently under development and will be out later this year."
    http://servergy.com/servergy-gives-preview-of-worlds-densest-powerlinux-soc-server-at-ocp-summit/

    "CTS-64000"
    http://oracleus.activeevents.com/2014/connect/fileDownload/session/BD8C94DD27862557EA8B766C0F0B7BD9/CON5660_Beckwith-J1.pdf (10/2014, pages 50 to 56)

    http://www.infoq.com/articles/Hadoop-Cluster (12/2014)

    https://community.freescale.com/servlet/JiveServlet/previewBody/105848-102-1-27287/ftf-snt-f1205.pdf (06/2015, pages 33/34)

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 14.07.2015 - 17:42 ]
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    >"(...and also revealed there that the successor of the P4080-based CTS-1000 will be based on the T4240.)"

    Now that is cool. 24 virtual cores!
    Our developers announce a future ISA change, and things keep happening in the PPC world.
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    >> the successor of the P4080-based CTS-1000 will be based on the T4240

    > things keep happening in the PPC world.

    According to this article, the CTS-1000 is about 15,000 USD, so don't expect its successor to be any cheaper. But on the other hand, there is another T4240-based system going for less than a tenth:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7780&forum=11&start=34


    Edit: Massive price drop for the CTS-1000:

    "prices start at $1,000."
    http://servergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Servergy-CTS-QuadS-Flyer-11-10-14.pdf

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 18.11.2014 - 12:09 ]
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    Will MorphOS run on the X4000?
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    Will MorphOS run on the X4000?


    What is that?
    1 + 1 = 3 with very large values of 1
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    >> Will MorphOS run on the X4000?

    > What is that?

    Maybe this:

    "internally we are referring to [...] the P5040 model as the AmigaOne-X4000."
    http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwdickinson2_en.php
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    Would be great to support x4000 if MOS support multicore . If not I think its a expensive machine.
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    There are allready plenty dual-CPU-setups (PMac G4 and G5) that are supported by MorphOS, so if adding SMP or AMP was the goal, one wouldn't need invest into overpriced deadend HW from AEON.
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    Thats true. I have a dual g5 waiting to fly with morphos. The only problem is they are getting older. But hell, 3000 euros for a machine is too much.
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    I'm not paying $3,000 for a machine that will still be slower than my PowerMac G5. The very idea is lunacy!!!
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    Addendum:

    > http://www.ultra-electronics.com/press_releases/299_Ultra_acquires_Varisys_-June_2013.pdf
    > http://www.varisys.co.uk/news/varisys-ltd-acquired-by-ultra-electronics
    > http://www.a-eon.com/news/16-06-2013.html

    Also reflected on the new motherboard:

    http://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/156896_749481141728940_152014557_n.jpg

    And btw:
    http://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t31/1836762_758264830850571_2054294710_o.jpg
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38719&forum=33#728708
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    That is kind of neat.
    OK, so its an expensive, impractical vanity project for a small community.
    Who says hobbyist computing has to be practical?
    It is very much an Amiga spectrum device.

    Personally, I hope we keep developing the Abox based/PPC version of MorphOS moving forward (regardless of the ISA/64 bit move) and that the developers consider this platform (the X5000).
    It should way out perform the SAM460.
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    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
    That is kind of neat.
    OK, so its an expensive, impractical vanity project for a small community.
    Who says hobbyist computing has to be practical?
    It is very much an Amiga spectrum device.

    Personally, I hope we keep developing the Abox based/PPC version of MorphOS moving forward (regardless of the ISA/64 bit move) and that the developers consider this platform (the X5000).
    It should way out perform the SAM460.


    I agree. I can't remember if I have already said this:

    But I would love continued support of PowerPC device, even while supporting a second architecture. Support all available PowerPC, while selecting 2 - 4 x86 64 items: a desktop computer and laptop computer, each with a "low end" (affordable one) and a "media center" one.

    I do not believe there needs to be supporting more than four X86 64 items. It might increase User Base significantly, but it might not. According to Wikipedia, there are other Amiga "inspired" OSes, almost all on X86, yet none are more popular than MorphOS. (Or perhaps it is because these OSes are inferior compared to MorphOS.) However, if X86 64 support increases User Base by thousands of thousands, then perhaps they should support dozens or hundreds of X86 64.

    I do have one respectful disagreement. I do not think ABox should be supported. It should be moved to an emulator. Another idea: perhaps if MorphOS attempts SMP, then one core can be ABox and another core can be QBox. ?

    It would be nice for MorphOS to support the X5000, but also it would be nice if MorphOS to support the SAM 460. :-)
    :-) I Support Quark Microkernel. :-D
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    > Support all available PowerPC

    This would dash against missing support for GPUs in machines where the GPU is onboard and you can't put in another one.

    > I do not think ABox should be supported. It should be moved to an emulator.

    On little-endian non-PPC, ABox couldn't be supported anyway. And on PPC, a box or virtual environment for ABox wouldn't be something I'd call an emulator.
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