takemehomegrandma,

I still see no good reason why Trevor needed someone's aproval and who are you to say it shouldn't have happened? Are you ripped off somehow by this ?

I know some owners of the X1000 in person, they like their machine . And they couldn't care less about you finding they paid too much for it.... madness or not

Oepabakkes,
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Something, I cannot see much point in. The market is full of PowerPC Macs, all of which beat ANY self-built device in price/performance (but of course, people usually will aim for the higher end)

And while working on hardware, there could already be OS out for readily available & cheap hardware.

Don't have anything againist it (except for trying to hide TeronCX problems, which is past now).

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Nobody expects The Spanish Inquisition! Something "expectable" would be terribly boring, don't you agree?

Fetch the Comfy Chair!

> TeronCX problems

...and those of the PX and the mini :-)

@ takemehomegrandma

Yes, by all means, lets limit this to posts like yours. Long streams of verbiage justifying your own opinions.
Neither I nor Simon claimed to speak for Trevor.
Rather we just decried the persistent repetition of this line of questioning.

But then, arguing with you is a pointless exercise in frustration.
Instead of telling me what to post, why don't you just ignore my posts?

[ Edited by Jim 02.05.2012 - 13:19 ]

Okay okay okay... so Hermans and Moorley are out and Lehman from AmigaKit is in. I dont think we need to discuss it any further.

itix,
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...So there would be one less obstacle for MorphOS X1000 port, but I still doubt it would happen. Can't see the point.

Obviously since we have got more than enough G4 class desktops.

Andreas_Wolf,
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Very good points. I am not sure what caused the design delays, or what mistakes were made, if any, but I am sure the delay(s) were very costly. I think the original projected price for the X1000 was supposed to be the same price as the original A1000, and if memory serves me (which it usually doesn't), the A1000 originally sold for $1,295.00. I am sure Trevor would have preferred the X1000 to be sold at that price, and he must have been disappointed by the delays and cost increases, but to his credit, he did not give up and abandon the project. I am enjoying my X1000 and am very glad Trevor stuck with his dream and finished the project all the way to product release.

> I am not sure what caused the design delays, or what mistakes were made, if any

I think one of the biggest pre-2010 changes in the X1000/Nemo design was the scrapping of several dedicated I/O chips in favour of the SB600 southbridge chip:

"the prototype Nemo motherboard development took much longer that originally estimated and much of the delay can be attributed to a change to the original design specification by the inclusion of an SB600 Southbridge, which although a technically superior solution, created several additional challenges in the manufacture and testing process."
http://safir.amigaos.se/main.php?d=newsfull&news=1133

"We had some difficulties with the getting life signs out of the SB600 (South Bridge)"
http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwgentle_en.php

"The customer chose a PC motherboard South Bridge to handle the peripherals, and presented us with the challenge of getting it working within a PowerPC architecture CPU."
http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=51602#forumpost51602

"The SB600 doesn't follow normal PCIe address decoding rules, as in its original use as an AMD south bridge it was designed to appear as if it were integrated into the north bridge."
https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/linuxppc-dev/2016-June/144114.html

The 2010+ delays that followed were more delays on top of that.


Edit: added another quote

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 03.08.2016 - 01:18 ]

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And on request (from the thread mentioned above), here are some Blender results:

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61508



[ Edited by takemehomegrandma 04.05.2012 - 20:23 ]

To cut the blahblah short, I tried to do summary with blender versions that are in the same ballpark:

With blender 2.49 or 2.48 & dualcore:
120s blender 2.49 G5 2.3Ghz Dualcore
121s blender 2.49 G5 2Ghz Dualcore (erroneously reported singlecore?)
127s blender 2.49 G5 3Ghz Dualcore (erroneously reported singlecore?)
206s blender 2.48? x1000 1800Mhz Dualcore

Then with blender 2.49 or 2.48 & singlecore:
223s blender 2.49 G5 2.3Ghz single core
234s blender 2.49 G5 2.1Ghz single core
235s blender 2.49 G5 3Ghz SingleCore
325s blender 2.49 PowerBook 1667Mhz
331s blender 2.49 PowerBook 1667Mhz
420s blender 2.48? x1000 1800Mhz Single core
425s blender 2.48a PowerBook 1500Mhz
540s blender 2.48 MacMini 1420Mhz
591s blender 2.48 A1XE 1000Mhz
1180s blender 2.48 SAM440 800Mhz (AOS4)

With same blender version G4 is slower than G5, but faster than PA6T.

Performance scaling etc.:
G5-2300single vs G4-1667 - 1.3 x Mhz - 1.4 x result - G5 better

G5-2300single vs PA6T-1800single - 1.28 x Mhz - 1.88 x result - G5 better

G4-1667 vs PA6T-1800single - 1.08 x Mhz - 0.77 x result - G4 better
G4-1667 vs PA6T-1800dual - 1.08 x Mhz - 1.6 x result - PA6T is better

The last part shows PA6T advantage, one day, after AOS is updated to use both cores. (it seems G5 does not scale as well with multiple cores, neither should G4)
(not that any of this would make x1000 pricing more sensible towards end user)
For blender, what ever PPC one uses on the designer/modeler, one would/should consider x86 render farm for speedup, instead of G5 or PA6T machine, IMO.

[ Edited by KimmoK 07.05.2012 - 11:29 ]

Update:

>> The new website should be up and running soon.

> Also on http://www.a-eontechnology.com? ;-)
> http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/a-eontechnology.com

...has now been changed to point to the Hyperion message boards instead of the old A-Eon website.

Reminder:

> Hyperionmp says:
> "The way in which it will be implemented however is already clearly defined
> and was subject to peer review by other developers. Obstacles to an
> efficient implementation were removed (e.g. the use of Forbid) and replaced
> in many OS components over the years (e.g. DOS). The foundation for
> SMP support was put in place, a clear picture exists what needs to be done
> to accomplish it and how. I'm willing to take a bet that it won't take 2 years ;)"
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34171&forum=33&start=40#627520

One third has passed already :-)

@Andreas_Wolf

Thought you might be interested in reading this:

XENA - Signs of life

#6

> Thought you might be interested in reading this

I am. Thanks for pointing me to it. Now that OS4 can access the XCore chip there remains "only" the XMOS SDK to be ported to OS4.

Sending this message from my X1000 computer wirelessly connected to my WLAN via the NetGear WNCE2001-100NAR that I purchased from NewEgg as a refurbished product priced at $19.99 with free shipping, but I also had a $10 off coupon from a previous purchase, so my total price including all taxes and the free shipping was less than $12 delivered to my front door this afternoon.

I plan on testing it with my G4 PowerBook running MorphOS3.0 beta in a few minutes and I am sure it will work just as easily.

I really like the small size of the NetGear WNCE2001-100NAR device and the fact that it can run from the included USB power cord, or the included PSU. The next product to search for is a battery powered device that has a USB port that I can plug the USB power cord into so it will give me a temporary completely wireless solution for wireless Internet Browsing using this device with my G4 PowerBook, while I am waiting for the NetGear WG511T wireless CardBus NIC to be supported by MorphOS3.x some time in the future. Maybe the USB port on the G4 PowerBook can provide just enough current to power up this NetGear WNCE2001-100NAR, even if they don't provide enough electrical power for external hard drives.

Another possibility is perhaps someone makes a FireWire400 to USB port adapter, just for providing power to this device?

I will edit this message in a few minutes from my PowerBook if I can get it setup and working with the same NetGear WNCE2001-100NAR.

Thanks to who ever it was who suggested this device as a possible solution to wireless connections to my WLAN.

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Finally an area where the A1X1K is winning over the 1/20th priced competition - Flashing LED's!

Update:

> As for the maintenance statement, maybe this refers to the
> March 2010 announcement of a more professional website:
>
> "we will have a more traditional corporate website at the
> A-EON address when we are ready to go fully public."
> http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=30985&forum=42#544604

It's there now.

New site is absolutely disgusting, Aeon guys should take some example from morphos.net site :)

Somehow they managed to squeeze in 99 errors and 7 warnings in that rather small web page:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fa-eon.com%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0

That's actually kind of an achievement, using only about 100 lines of actual HTML-code (embedded CSS and JS removed).

It's using tables for layout/graphical design, which is a death sin! That was common back in the Ibrowse days, when there was no CSS, but you simply don't do that today. And I am puzzled about why, since the page *also* uses CSS, which is the proper way of doing layout/graphical design.

Speaking of which, CSS has 40 errors and 46 warnings:

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fa-eon.com%2F&profile=css3&usermedium=all&warning=1

IMO, the looks of the page suggests it was made by someone learning HTML, the validation kind of confirms it. But I guess it's at least an improvement from the old web site, with that dildo shaped menu penetrating the page from the lower right...?

@amigadave
Is MorphOS 3.0 out there yet , or are you a betatester?

> Is MorphOS 3.0 out there yet , or are you a betatester?

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7967&start=48

@ThEcRoW,

No, I am not a beta tester per se, but I was given access to an early version of MorphOS3.0 to show at last year's AmiWest 2011 Show.

I had some difficulty with connecting to the hotel's Internet connection using an Ethernet cable, which had a large negative effect in my preparations for my presentation during the show, so I was very disappointed (again) with the presentation that I gave.

I am hoping that MorphOS3.0 will be finished and released before this year's AmiWest 2012 Show, so I can have a second chance at giving a better presentation (unless someone else wants to volunteer to do a MorphOS presentation at this year's show).

My attendance at this year's AmiWest 2012 Show is dependent on my health and a possible second back surgery that may occur some time this year.

I am not a beta tester, as I would assume that they work with the MorphOS Dev. Team in reporting bugs and giving other reports on performance, or other such things. I do not do that and actually have almost zero contact with any of the MorphOS Dev. Team members and what little contact I do have with any of them, does not mean that I am getting any information about MorphOS3.0 that the rest of you don't already know. I don't ask and they don't tell me anything.

Andreas_Wolf,
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I used that at my university! XC is pretty frustrating to code in. Concurrent C with loads of deadlock.

I've met Ali Dixon from XMOS too - he was happy to refer to the X1000 as "vapourware". :)

[ Edited by Mequa 03.06.2012 - 22:18 ]

Mequa,
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I guess Ali Dixon was wrong, wasn't he? My "vaporware" X1000 is sitting on my desk in the other room with the XMOS chip inside of it on the Nemo2 Motherboard.

What do you mean by "Concurrent C with loads of deadlock"?