I can think of three reasons for the info not to be released.

1. The NDA is still in effect.

2. The information to be released could be embarrassing to the person/company responsible for releasing, or not releasing it.

3. The person/company responsible for making the decision to release, or not release the information does not think it is important one way or the other and feels there is no reason to respond to any requests for such information.

> 1. The NDA is still in effect.

Unlikely, else A-Eon wouldn't have revealed the type of CPU in December 2010. The information on the CPU was part of the NDA according to A-Eon.

> 2. The information to be released could be embarrassing to the
> person/company responsible for releasing, or not releasing it.

Could be.

> 3. The person/company responsible for making the decision to release, or
> not release the information does not think it is important one way or the other
> and feels there is no reason to respond to any requests for such information.

Unlikely, else A-Eon wouldn't have teased us with its "quite a story" comment.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22a-eon%22+%22quite+a+story%22

>> We won't have to do that as Freescale will offer all presentation slides
>> for public download, as usual.

> Now you have my attention, sir! Yeah! Hard info on the T5!

I seems that this year Freescale for whatever reason requires to login in order to be able to download the FTF presentation slides. Pity, I'd really like to know what the improvements of the updated AltiVec are.

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?code=FTF_2011_AMERICA_OLL_CAT

@Andreas

The registration process is simple enough, and open to the public.

> The registration process is simple enough, and open to the public.

I know that. But there's no need to as Jim is kind enough to relay the slides I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why Freescale changed the policy after years of making the FTF slides available without having to login. Besides, you just can't easily link to files that are not publically available without registering ;-)

Umm its called data mining.

But you wont be able to register anyway as you are a bot.

> you are a bot.

Seems the other half of your split personality disagrees with you:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=11&topic_id=5724&start=40

Yes, having to log in to view the PDFs is a pain since you can't link to them when creating posts. I'm having trouble locating one of the files Andreas asked about, but I've sent him the others.
And I've put in a request for the file I couldn't locate.
they should respond by tomorrow.
I've been really busy at work, so I haven't had a chance to review them.
Can't wait to see what Andreas picks out that's note worthy.
These files along with the announcement of the new processor really have me stoked.

> I'm having trouble locating one of the files Andreas asked about, but I've sent
> him the others. And I've put in a request for the file I couldn't locate. they
> should respond by tomorrow.

Thanks for your efforts. It's really appreciated.

> Can't wait to see what Andreas picks out that's note worthy.

;-) I've yet to have a look at them but will do so ASAP.*

> These files along with the announcement of the new
> processor really have me stoked.

They have despite the fact that Freescale underdelivered compared to what you had hoped for? ;-)


* Addendum:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=665

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 24.06.2011 - 05:41 ]

Update:

> I'd really like to know what the improvements of the
> updated AltiVec are.

Page 12 of FTF11_NET_F1176 document mentions "Improved load /store to ease bit alignment" and "New instructions for video analytics".

Edit: Now also there:
http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/brochure/PWRARBYNDBITSSKD.pdf (page 3)
http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/brochure/PWRARBYNDBITS.pdf (page 59)

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 27.03.2012 - 19:39 ]

>> These files along with the announcement of the new
>> processor really have me stoked.

>They have despite the fact that Freescale underdelivered compared to what you had hoped for?


Oh YES! Between this and the new developments at IBM (and Nintendo) I really excited to see PPC processor development advancing. For all those naysayers that said this was a dead ISA, things sure seem to be moving along nicely.

APM announced a new ppc NAS processor, too.
The APM86491 - Key features: 1.2 GHz 465 core, 256 kb L2 cache, 2x usb 3.0, 2x SATA, 2x Gb Ethernet, 2 x PCI Express, 2.5 W energy uptake, 20 US$ in bulk volume.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/preview/phoenix.zhtml?c=78121&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1576895&highlight=

While designed for NAS boxes, this may also be used for a small low cost low end, low cost computer if you attach a video and audio codec to it.

[ Editiert durch Zylesea 25.06.2011 - 01:51 ]

> APM announced a new ppc NAS processor, too. The APM86491

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=671

;-)

Care to elaborate what you wanna tell with your link? I see the Sam460 specs only...

> Care to elaborate what you wanna tell with your link?

Yes, of course. It is meant to take you to a three day old posting of mine where I reported the announcement of the APM86491.

> I see the Sam460 specs only...

I guess you're using MorphZone with reversed posting order then. Unfortunately, the MorphZone upgrade from some months ago destroyed the facility to link to a particular posting regardless of the selected posting order. In this regard, the upgrade was more of a downgrade actually. I could give you a direct link using reversed order and the new 'showonepost' facility but this only works for postings on page #1 of a thread so as soon as my posting drops to page #2 due to new postings in the thread the link will stop working. This is the same with my 'post_id' plus fragment identifier links I used before the upgrade. So unfortunately, my MorphZone interlinks can only work with non-reversed posting order. This also means that all my older interlinks from before the upgrade don't work anymore. What I could do to work around this problem is to hardcode the non-reversed posting order in my links like this:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=671&sortorder=0

This should take you to the right posting (does it?) but may confuse you because of the non-reversed order, i.e. reversed compared to the way you chose to view threads here on MorphZone.

Yor link for reversed order works and that inks of course makes sense.
The ordering thing is indeed pretty confusing. Probably I should switch to no reversed order in my settings.

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*IT IS* a dead architecture for all purposes interesting to MorphOS; it makes little to no sense to run MorphOS on a NAS, Switch or a Printer...

> it makes little to no sense to run MorphOS on a NAS, Switch or a Printer... ;-)

...or a gaming console for that matter ;-)

Quote:

I fixed it for you.

Or have the developers said otherwise?

@minator

No need to "fix" anything. AFAIK, *nobody* is building viable and affordable PPC desktop and/or laptop motherboards, because simply there is no point, and I see no reason whatsoever to believe this will change. The PPC Macs were the last of its kind, Apple *was* the PPC desktop/laptop market, and when they left it behind, they left it with no pulse, no future. But I'm sure these new CPU's will make excellent routers and printers or whatever...

@ takemehomegrandma,

While i appreciate your opinion, and consider the point about affordable PPC based computers valid, I seriously disagree with you on the potential of these new CPUs.
Have you checked the specs on them? They're hardly limited to use in routers and printers.
Did you notice the quote Andreas mentioned on AltiVec enhancement?

>Page 12 of FTF11_NET_F1176 document mentions "Improved load /store to ease bit alignment" and "New instructions for video analytics".

Instructions designed for video are not intended for router or printer applications.

To be sure, high volume, affordable PPC motherboards seem to be a thing of the past. But Acube is making PPC boards. Aeon is (sooner or later) supposed to be making PPC boards.
And these new processors are more powerful than the APM processors used in the Acube boards and more then powerful enough to suit our purposes.

Quote:


I wasn't talking about any of that. I was merely pointing out that the MorphOS devs haven't publicly said anything about any other architecture.

Actually I entirely agree, the CPUs may be perfectly usable but until someone does a PPC beagleboard any new boards are going to be far too expensive to be interesting.


Edit: Wrong quote, fixed.

[ Edited by minator 26.06.2011 - 20:17 ]

> The PPC Macs were the last of its kind

I think the PowerStation was it. Complete 2.5 GHz quad-core G5 machine for 1250 USD seemed like a nice deal, being both viable and affordable.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=145
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=137

Quote:

Tech specs of these CPU's couldn't be more irrelevant when nobody is going to use them to try to create a viable PPC desktop market (and why would anyone want to do that? Madness!)

Quote:

I'm sorry, but some guys building a few batches x30 boards at a per unit price of a used car doesn't really count. If that's your idea of a future, then it would be better to spare everyone the misery and take down the sign and close the shop right now.

It's dead, Jim.

@ takemehomegrandma,

Your perspective is fueled by your desire to see a change in ISAs.
Since we haven't received Powerbook or G5 Mac support, there is still plenty of room for expansion.
I'll license either model (maybe both).
We don't need to consider an ISA change for at least a couple years.
And who knows what will happen during that period.

With IBM and Frescale's continued focus on further development of Power architecture, my vote is that we stay where we are.
Like X86 needs yet another alternative OS.