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    @Andreas_Wolf,

    Why?

    Your tendency for attention to detail in the smallest degree on many topics is admirable, even when it is not particularly needed at that fine degree, but I don't see the importance or need for the MorphOS Dev. Team to reveal their reasoning for every decision they make, with regard to the direction their work on MorphOS goes.

    Your assumption(s) may be correct, or they might not, but the only important piece of information regarding MorphOS being ported to any platform, be it the X1000 from A-Eon, or the SAM440, or 460 models from ACube, is the result, Yes, or No. For me the current result makes the best sense, as I don't see any point in porting to over priced, under powered, small production run products, that are mostly purchased by people that have NO interest in ever running MorphOS, and even if they did download and try it out, they would not purchase it, for the same reasons that they prefer OS4 right now.

    Of course you have your reasons for wanting to know all the details (you seem to be a very detail type of person from your posting history here), and I don't care if you find the correct answers or not, so this is not a criticism about you wanting to know, more a curiosity of why you want to know.
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    > Why?

    Easy one: because I'm curious about it :-)

    > I don't see the importance or need for the MorphOS Dev. Team to reveal
    > their reasoning for every decision they make

    I'm fine with the fact that everybody has his very own levels of curiosity regarding certain matters.

    > the only important piece of information regarding MorphOS being ported to any
    > platform [...] is the result, Yes, or No.

    I'm fine with you being satisfied to only know the result, but that doesn't mean that this also applies to me.
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    @ Andreas_Wolf

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    I claimed that the MorphOS Team would port MorphOS to ACube hardware if ACube paid for the port, which is a statement that is supported by Fab's and CISC's past insinuations


    Fab and CISC simply replied to posters who criticized the mere concept of the MorphOS Team asking to be paid to support a particular hardware platform. Any insinuations are simply misinterpretations, I am afraid.

    Of course, in case you are arguing that MorphOS would be ported to pretty much any hardware as soon as someone is willing to pay X millions of dollars / Euros for it, then you are entirely correct. I have assumed that the discussion is about realistic, not fantasy scenarios, however.


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    Either have these "helpful conditions" been for real


    I listed several conditions that were met when the Efika port was considered (but not when ACube inquired about SAM).


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    I can imagine that one of those "helpful conditions" would have been that ACube must refrain from compulsively bundling their hardware with OS4, which would be a very reasonable condition


    You are overthinking the issue. Compared to other MorphOS hardware, the price - performance ratio is a showstopper irregardless of whether it includes the cost of an extra OS license or not.
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    > Fab and CISC simply replied to posters who criticized the mere concept of the
    > MorphOS Team asking to be paid to support a particular hardware platform.
    > Any insinuations are simply misinterpretations, I am afraid.

    I don't think so. Both quotes "What you call a ridiculous price is probably comparable to what Genesi was asked for the efika port" and "We need an additional incentive to support the hardware [...]. Genesi obviously agreed and that's why the Efika is supported (it would never have been otherwise [...]), if ACube doesn't that really isn't our problem" speak a very clear language.

    > Of course, in case you are arguing that MorphOS would be ported to pretty
    > much any hardware as soon as someone is willing to pay X millions of
    > dollars / Euros for it, then you are entirely correct.

    Let's go back and see again what claim of mine you called incorrect:

    "It's no secret that the MorphOS Team would port MorphOS to the Sam440 if ACube paid for it"

    As you can see I didn't mention any specific sum nor any range, which, according to what you say now, renders my claim very much correct.

    > I have assumed that the discussion is about realistic, not fantasy scenarios

    It was not me but your colleague Fab who, regarding a port to ACube's hardware, hinted at a sum "probably comparable to what Genesi was asked for the efika port". As far as I can tell, the MorphOS port to Efika is for real, whereas a port to ACube's hardware is fantasy.

    > I listed several conditions that were met when the Efika port was considered
    > (but not when ACube inquired about SAM).

    Okay, so that's been a misunderstanding obviously. I had thought we were talking about alleged "negotiations" with ACube at that point of the discussion.

    > the price - performance ratio is a showstopper irregardless of whether
    > it includes the cost of an extra OS license or not.

    You are underthinking what I wrote ;-) I was not talking about the fact that a compulsively bundled OS4 makes the package more expensive for the buyer but about the fact that this would result in avoidable income for Hyperion ;-)
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    > there is a possibility that the guy actually has made it up,
    > that he hasn't been in contact with RS.

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    >>> there is a possibility that the guy actually has made it up,
    >>> that he hasn't been in contact with RS.

    >> http://moobunny.dreamhosters.com/cgi/mbmessage.pl/amiga/186441.shtml

    > Just lol.

    What's so funny with the MooBunny link?
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    Just lol was about this thread (an particularly his title).

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    > Just lol was about this thread (an particularly his title).

    Fair enough. I mistook your posting as referring to my link because threaded view mode actually presents your posting as a reply to my link.
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    I use "flat" view.

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    > I use "flat" view.

    Unfortunately, that doesn't change a single bit of how the forum software (erroneously) stores your postings when you click the "wrong" reply button.
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    What??? This forum is unable to know what I think??? Damn.

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    > sorry for the bad button click.

    I don't think you're the one to blame. It was the well-known MorphZone bug I guess. Thing is, there was no way for me to see if you really lol'd at me or if your posting is a victim of said bug.
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    Update:

    > I can imagine that one of those "helpful conditions" would have been that
    > ACube must refrain from compulsively bundling their hardware with OS4,
    > which would be a very reasonable condition (just imagine that someone
    > who wants a Sam440 primarily for running MorphOS and is not interested
    > in OS4 at all would have to purchase a copy of OS4 nonetheless and thus
    > economically benefit Hyperion).

    ACube hardware now also available without OS4:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&start=656

    Edit: Even more ACube hardware available without OS4:

    http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news&id=102
    http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.a1k.org/forum/showpost.php?p=616683

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 05.04.2013 - 02:28 ]
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    I don't get it Andreas.
    Acube has sold "industrial" models of its boards for some time now, but only in quantity.
    And the reference you pointed to seems to mention the lastest "lite' bundle which still includes AOS4.1.
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    > Acube has sold "industrial" models of its boards for some time now,
    > but only in quantity.

    Yes, that's the point. While regarding the "industrial" versions of both the Sam440ep-flex and the Sam460ex they state "prices may vary depending on volumes, please contact us", regarding the Sam460ex-lite "industrial" version they just say "EUR 499.50 for the industrial version". Don't you think this has to mean something? Maybe that you could get it in single quantity?

    > the reference you pointed to seems to mention the lastest "lite' bundle

    Yes.

    > which still includes AOS4.1

    The "industrial" version doesn't seem to include it, that's my point.

    Edit:
    On the other hand, the page says: "Note that these two Lite offers are limited until stock last, and sold only from ACube Systems directly". So I guess these Sam460ex-lite boards are really what others already suspected they are, and a hypothetical MorphOS port couldn't arrive before those boards were sold out anyway.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 29.05.2011 - 15:46 ]
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    Ah, I wish you'd referenced that "EUR 499.50 for the industrial version" first.

    Yes that is significant.

    I wonder how long they will continue to offer it?
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    > I wish you'd referenced that "EUR 499.50 for the industrial version" first.

    Isn't it in the first reference I pointed to (Zylesea's MorphZone posting)?

    > I wonder how long they will continue to offer it?

    According to ACube "until stock last".
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    >Isn't it in the first reference I pointed to (Zylesea's MorphZone posting)?

    Um, yes it is. I didn't read it completely. Instead I moved to the link Zylesea listed.
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5940

    My bad.
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    > Instead I moved to the link Zylesea listed.
    > http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5940

    But it's in there as well, even in the exact same wording like on ACube's Sam460ex web page ;-)
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    OK, OK
    I just got up Andreas ;)

    BTW - Who is going to pay for the port?
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    > Who is going to pay for the port?

    Nobody apparently ;-) But as I said, ACube says it's limited stock so a port wouldn't make sense anyway I guess.
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    No, I guess it wouldn't. Adopting a board with worse performance than a G4 Mac that sells at a premium price wouldn't make sense.
    And I just had Kronos point out to me that that 499 is without VAT.
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    > No

    I take that to read "Yes" ;-)

    > 499 is without VAT.

    Yes, as is the 599 EUR price for the non-"industrial" version including OS4, so the cost saving (and thus not contributing to Hyperion's wallet) aspect of the "industrial" version compared to the non-"industrial" version still applies.
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    >> No

    >I take that to read "Yes" ;-)

    English is such an imprecise language that either would work. ;)

    BTW - Does VAT get charged to US customers?
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