>>> we have [...] an issue between Jens and Mike mentioned
>>> in news before [...] the detail in the Neuss show notes

>> Before? Where was this mentioned?

> If you prefer, I'll call the "prior to Neuss" my opinion:
> 2001 and the 3 updates since

The 2001 press release definitely predates Jens' involvement in P96 by many years. But admittedly, while the Neuss show in 2017 predates the April 2018 update, the latter predates the public leaking of the show notes in August 2018.

> If people cling to the thought that the sources discussed [...] hold no credibility, then
> I don't think abbreviating that to the one word "fake" is that much of a stretch.

Agreed. Do you happen to know if any of the people mentioned in the show notes have clinged to such thought in public?