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    Spectre660
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    @Jim

    Under AmigaOS 4.1 Polaris cards are going to bring some special love and BIG key enhancements.
    Game changing stuff .Tabor support included .
    Enhancer V2.0 coming soon.

    [ Edited by Spectre660 26.12.2019 - 12:54 ]
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    Quote:

    Spectre660 wrote:
    @Jim

    Under AmigaOS 4.1 Polaris cards are going to bring some special love and BIG key enhancements.
    Game changing stuff .Tabor support included .
    Enhancer V2.0 coming soon.


    But only for Tabor and X5000 platforms?
    Or can older systems like the SAM460 be updated?
    And we've ruled out the X1000 as its firmware makes it incompatible with Polaris?
    If is the case, why aren't any updates to that being considered?

    Or is Aeon following Apple's path of immediately obsoleting out of production hardware?
    Again, that would be a pity, as the X1000 never received the full support promised when it was introduced.

    Still, if Enhancer 2.0 works on an X5000, I can separate its utility from the necessity of buying Tabor.
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    Spectre660
    Posts: 271 from 2015/6/30
    @Jim

    Sam460ex works with Polaris.
    Maybe a fluke that it does because the U-Boot version of the Sam460ex is old.
    The X5000 & Tabor have newer U-boot versions.

    It was stated a while ago that X1000 CFE was not under A-Eon's control.
    Don't know if they have made any progress on this.

    Enhancer includes the A-Eon drivers.
    These include the full Radeon HD driver and Enhancer V2.0 will include the
    Radeon Polaris driver.
    The current OS 4.1 FE CD or ISO only include a Lite version of the Radeon HD driver for example. This includes the Sam460ex CD .

    I would expect Tabor sound and Ethernet drivers to be on new AmigaOS 4.1 ISO's though .

    See this link re X1000 network story Quote below.


    https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.os4welt.de/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D28%26t%3D1670%26sid%3Dfc0204d4073af97d6ad5fb50dda6b1c4%26start%3D140&xid=17259,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700283&usg=ALkJrhh1f6VXLWoHl6Z7basDcS8xg7FxWg#p33185


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    by Cyborg » March 22nd, 2018 10:09 am

    And X1000 runs completely out of competition anyway. There is not even a "contract" for this, but only a loose promise on my part that I could take a look at it, I would finally be given working hardware again and I would also have time for it. Back in 2012, the X1000 prototype provided broke in the middle of the driver's beta test. I sent it to A-EON and never got a replacement for it, although it was requested umpteen times. A-EON didn't feel responsible, neither did Hyperion. Without hardware, no driver. Then other people fooled around in my code and didn't do anything. Therefore, A-EON finally came back to me to see if I could not look at it and after several years I put up an X1000 again. It was also used for a lot of work on AmigaOS, but time for the unimportant anyway, since there are enough PCI slots, I haven't had any network drivers so far. See above.


    [ Edited by Spectre660 26.12.2019 - 14:08 ]
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    Zylesea
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    Spectre660 schrieb:

    Game changing stuff .Tabor support included .
    Enhancer V2.0 coming soon.

    [ Edited by Spectre660 26.12.2019 - 12:54 ]


    "Game changing" - you made me spitting the coffee over the screen and key board because of LOL.
    Cought in a atime capsule from one or two decades ago--?
    Funny! A classic. More of that, please!
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    Quote:

    Zylesea wrote:
    Quote:

    Spectre660 schrieb:

    Game changing stuff .Tabor support included .
    Enhancer V2.0 coming soon.

    [ Edited by Spectre660 26.12.2019 - 12:54 ]


    "Game changing" - you made me spitting the coffee over the screen and key board because of LOL.
    Cought in a atime capsule from one or two decades ago--?
    Funny! A classic. More of that, please!


    I've seen a few hints including one from Trevor and if I've not misread the hints then there will certainly be something in Enhancer 2 that is a first for any Amigoid OS.
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    Zylesea wrote:
    Quote:

    Spectre660 schrieb:

    Game changing stuff .Tabor support included .
    Enhancer V2.0 coming soon.

    [ Edited by Spectre660 26.12.2019 - 12:54 ]


    "Game changing" - you made me spitting the coffee over the screen and key board because of LOL.
    Cought in a atime capsule from one or two decades ago--?
    Funny! A classic. More of that, please!


    Well, to be honest, it wouldn't take much to make many AmigaOS4 users call something "game changing". Comparing it to mainstream, the change will probably be more like a minor step forward, toward bringing the graphics of AmigaOS4 closer to something like what is available on Linux.
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    I've seen many of that "hints" over the years by the OS4 crowd. The track record and pattern repetition is speaking for itself....
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    Quote:

    Zylesea wrote:
    I've seen many of that "hints" over the years by the OS4 crowd. The track record and pattern repetition is speaking for itself....




    Hence my not stepping out on the line to express what I think may be being hinted at.
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    >>> Not as stupid as promising OS 4.2 to users of a system no longer in production.

    >> That promise preceded the production of the last X1000 batch by several years.
    >> Has it ever been reiterated since?

    > Never mentioned after x1000 launch and Amiwest 2016 or so.

    I don't understand. If it was mentioned the last time at AmiWest 2016 (or so) as you claim, it was necessarily mentioned after the X1000 launch.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    >> network card based on 8139 chip cost about 5 E

    > Its 10x slower

    Not with ancient BSD core and abysmal SANA-II driver interface of OS4 TCP/IP stack ;-)
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    ppcamiga1
    Posts: 215 from 2015/8/23
    Quote:

    Zylesea wrote:
    I've seen many of that "hints" over the years by the OS4 crowd. The track record and pattern repetition is speaking for itself....



    Many dumb people in Amiga community think that if they make problems where no problems at all there will be switch from ppc.
    As long as AROS x86 or MOS x86 is not good enough to justify resignation from using windows it will not going to happen.
    You want to change to commodity hardware You have to provide Amiga solution that is as good as win/osx/lnx ,maybe 10 % worse but no more.
    Otherwise it still will be a hobby, and as a hobby ppc is more interesting.


    [ Edited by ppcamiga1 28.12.2019 - 08:50 ]
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    Kronos
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    1 dumb people in Amiga community think that if they make problems where no problems at all there will be switch to some Linux based brainfart

    As long as AROS x86 or MOS x86 is as on PPC to it will justify setting up separate box for it just like it is/was for PPC.
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    vox
    Posts: 503 from 2003/11/24
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    ppcamiga1 wrote:
    As I explained this in pm on aw earlier I prefer to spend little money to get working hardware and drivers instead of wasting time on pointless attacks on H&A.

    The problem is in way that You vox deal with problems. But it is Your problem.




    No its all x1000 users problem, others just tend to ignore it.

    But Nemo is shelved, is expectations for 2020 are:

    -Dont go Tabor, its cheap but x1000/x5000 debacle, even worse
    - I will go v4SA and enjoy it more then x1000 at cost-effective choice
    - I hope I will buy MOS x64 license for a PeeCee
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    Quote:

    Spectre660 wrote:

    It was stated a while ago that X1000 CFE was not under A-Eon's control.
    Don't know if they have made any progress on this.



    Lincese says Broadcom FLOSS + glued by Hyperion.

    I mean, you develop patched firware for routers to work on desktop.
    Then you loose sources after two beta updates and public release.

    Then you start developing onboard driver for ethernet. You outsource it,
    programmers Nemo dies and you put bugged version of OS 4.1FE, never send
    him replacement Nemo (I am willing to, just link me) and you put him to other task.

    That is the way of support of OS4 dream machine.


    [ Edited by vox 28.12.2019 - 18:31 ]
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    > Lincese says [...] glued by Hyperion. I mean, you develop
    > patched firware for routers to work on desktop. Then you
    > loose sources after two beta updates and public release.

    As far as I understand, the issue is that one "you" is a different entity from the other "you". In addition, one of the entities likely never had the source code but just binaries.

    > you put bugged version of OS 4.1FE

    Isn't the buggy driver only available for beta testers?

    > never send him replacement Nemo

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=1029
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1423 from 2003/4/13
    Quote:

    rob wrote:

    I've seen a few hints including one from Trevor and if I've not misread the hints then there will certainly be something in Enhancer 2 that is a first for any Amigoid OS.


    And you fell for it hook, line and sinker? After all these decades?
  • »29.12.19 - 03:18
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    Quote:

    rob wrote:

    Hence my not stepping out on the line to express what I think may be being hinted at.


    OK, fair enough.
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    ppcamiga1
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    Quote:

    Kronos wrote:
    usual crap



    Some dumb people in Amiga community expect others in Amiga community to fool themselves that pc with MOS is not pc. "no it is not a pc and I can not do my work hundred times faster on windows on exactly the some computer"
    It is obvious that on x86 AROS or MOS will compete with Windows, macOS and linux.
    Nobody sane will use MOS or AROS when the some work may be done in minuts on win/osx/lnx instead of hours on AROS or MOS.
    MOS x86 in current form end as AROS x86 as worse uae.
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    ppcamiga1
    Posts: 215 from 2015/8/23
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    vox wrote:
    - I will go v4SA and enjoy it more then x1000 at cost-effective choice



    From developer POV V4SA has not working MMU and decent OpenGL so it is still not good enough to compete with Amiga X1000 or Amiga 1222, and of course it is many times slower.
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Lincese says [...] glued by Hyperion. I mean, you develop
    > patched firware for routers to work on desktop. Then you
    > loose sources after two beta updates and public release.

    As far as I understand, the issue is that one "you" is a different entity from the other "you". In addition, one of the entities likely never had the source code but just binaries.

    > you put bugged version of OS 4.1FE

    Isn't the buggy driver only available for beta testers?

    > never send him replacement Nemo

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=1029


    I dont get the updated info from thread? Anything new or different from what I have rad in past?

    No, it is included on OS 4.1 Final CD

    System/devs/networks/ppp-ethernet.device 23.11.2014. 00:00

    http://amigax1000.blogspot.com/2017/01/amigaos-41-fe-updates-and-repaired-x1000.html

    You are then asked to choose your network card. I got a bit excited when I saw that the built in X1000 network adapter is included as an option (we have to use a PCI network card under AmigaOS4.1.6). I selected the built in adapter and click on Test this Configuration:

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RI3_VFbMB9A/VK0jL9InRnI/AAAAAAAAKhI/blSzV5Iadao/s1600/IMG_6336.JPG

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V6strDS-EAc/VK0jMB5zLRI/AAAAAAAAKhM/jgBVX7_-g-4/s1600/IMG_6337.JPG

    Unfortunately it didn't work - I also subsequently found out the built-in network driver has dropout issues and shouldn't be used by X1000 owners at this time.


    Quote:

    ppcamiga1 wrote:
    Quote:

    vox wrote:
    - I will go v4SA and enjoy it more then x1000 at cost-effective choice



    From developer POV V4SA has not working MMU and decent OpenGL so it is still not good enough to compete with Amiga X1000 or Amiga 1222, and of course it is many times slower.




    I am no developer. Real OpenGL on my x1000? Where? :) Dont call translation of a translation to some level GLES :) Smaller set we will have as miniGL by Hyperion? :) and StormMESA m68k once Vamp v4 gets a bit more 3D love. Still before OS 4.2 or Libre, I bet. And hardware wise its growing, V4 has space for m68k style MMU and much more.

    From user Vamp:
    - Has proven development on SW and HW FPGA core side
    - Is out of box Amiga compatibile
    - I prefer small bussiness to greedy milkers that lie and smile too often
    - I believe it will bring more AmigaOS related development, OS3+AROS



    [ Edited by vox 30.12.2019 - 09:43 ]
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    Yes, as usually, in the far-away future v4 will have decent OpenGL and working MMU.
    Or not, as this whole natami crap prove.
    Amiga ppc has it NOW!!!
    So dear vox don't compare something real with something that exist for now only in gvb imagination.
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    Quote:

    ppcamiga1 wrote:
    Yes, as usually, in the far-away future v4 will have decent OpenGL and working MMU.
    Or not, as this whole natami crap prove.
    Amiga ppc has it NOW!!!
    So dear vox don't compare something real with something that exist for now only in gvb imagination.




    Buggy OS, buggy CFE, no aos AND no Linux support is real. Enjoy it.
    Its on sale for price of new Tabor "complete sys" and with a bit less beta OS and drivers
    https://amigaworld.net/modules/classifieds/index.php?pa=viewannonces&lid=6

    Good future to all! Especially Tabor users!



    [ Edited by vox 30.12.2019 - 14:10 ]
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    But with decent OpenGL and working gdb.
    So yes it is better than v4.
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    >>> never send him replacement Nemo

    >> https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7183&start=1029

    > I dont get the updated info from thread? Anything new
    > or different from what I have rad in past?

    In comment #1030 in that thread you acknowledged that he was sent a replacement Nemo while in this thread you now claim he wasn't.

    >> Isn't the buggy driver only available for beta testers?

    > No, it is included on OS 4.1 Final CD

    Indeed, thanks for the reminder.

    > Real OpenGL on my x1000? Where? :) Dont call translation of a translation to some level GLES :)

    Why not? GL4ES offers full OpenGL 2.1.
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