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Even if it had been perfect in every way when it was first released, i.e. faster than Odyssey and rock stable on all hardware platforms, you would still be talking about a web browser that was first released in 2010, so 8 years ago, and which has not received any major engine updates since.

If anybody is curious about what it feels like to browse today's web with a web browser as old as this, feel free to download Odyssey v1.11, which is about as old.

Before the arrival of the newly released Odyssey v1.25, how many discussions have there been on MorphZone about Odyssey becoming too outdated and lacking compatibility? Well, those versions were released several years after 2010...


And if anybody would like to know what a fully uptodate version of a Firefox derivative with truly impressive technical features such as a Javascript JIT compiler would be like on MorphOS or similar platforms, just run TenFourFox on MacOS PPC. The performance difference between this and Webkit-based browsers is quite striking (YouTube, etc). Tragically, not in a good way.

While its performance is fine on fast modern systems, Firefox is simply not designed (anymore) to run well on 'low-end' hardware whereas Webkit is deployed on many millions of inexpensive entry-level smartphones, for instance.

Browsers on OS 4.1FE may benefit from improved graphics card drivers.
Odyssey screen refreshes and rendering seem snappier on Sam460ex with a Radeon Rx550 Polaris card.
Also rarely have the pthreads crashes .



[ Edited by Spectre660 14.07.2018 - 08:36 ]

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Indeed. OWB 1.24 (didn't get around installing 3.11 yet) is MUCH faster than Firefox 52.9.0 running on the same G5. And this is even on Gentoo, specifically tuned to the G5.

Though I am curious how Firefox 60+ will perform when (if?) I get rust running on ppc64 to build recent Firefox on the G5.

> Uboot and Linux updates do come more frequent to X5000

Indeed, I can't remember any U-Boot update for the X1000 ;-) Seriously, it's my impression that xeno74 seems to update Linux for the X1000 no less than he does for the X5000.

> SAM460 driver for internal SATAs DMA was never done, and not intended to.

This would have to be taken up with ACube or Hyperion, not A-Eon.

> we were told cards are temporary meassure until OS 4.2 arrives

They still are, I guess ;-) It would have been better to sell the system with a GbE card, but 100MbE should be enough for most uses, given the overall bad state of TCP/IP in Amiga-like operating systems.

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Blink/V8 is deployed on many millions of entry level smartphones. WebKit is deployed on high end Apple phones. ;)

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1. Actually, you can buy brand new entry-level Apple phones for as low as 40 USD:
http://www.iphonehacks.com/2018/06/iphone-3gs-sale-south-korea.html ( )

2. Smartphones were not invented after Google created a Webkit fork. In 2013 alone, 750 million units of Android smartphones were sold. Most still with the original Webkit as a Blink-enabled WebView was only introduced in September of that year.

Having said that, the fact that Blink still uses the "-webkit-" vendor prefix in 2018 should tell you something about how closely related Webkit and Blink continue to be.

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Now I can only wait for MorphOS to come one day as saviour

On TW: It was quite usable, playing You Tube and rendering pages faster and having higher HTML5 scores then Odyssey of those days. Too bad they snitched the money from community and left it in limbo and strange source code mess.

@Vox

You would be better of with a X5000 if you want to run MorphOs and Linux as well .
MorphOS 3.11 looks very fast on pcie equipped machines.


[ Edited by Spectre660 19.07.2018 - 08:35 ]

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Yes, but I dont want to buy new expensive board just because of MOS. I opted
for buying cheap PowerBook G4 1Ghz Radeon 9200 1GB RAM. So next month, MOS impressions! (is there a light PPC Linux distro for PowerMac?)

Would love to use full x1000 potential with MOS, but that is quite unlikely to happen. Ever.

[ Edited by vox 10.08.2018 - 21:40 ]

The state of current ppc Linux installers for Powermacs is not too good . Yaboot issues .
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Is there any workaround or last version of Deb/Ubuntu that does not use Yaboot? Interesting, if Linux PPC distros dont support PowerMacs,who will they support?

Also, is it possible to setup TRIBLE BOOT MacOS X / Linux / MOS 3.11+ and what kind of loader (LILO like best) needs to be used? I have seen guides to setup MacOS X and MOS, such as https://library.morph.zone/Dual-boot_MorphOS_and_MacOS_X_on_a_Mac_Mini_G4#Installing_MorphOS_after_OSX but no triple boot ones

[ Edited by vox 11.08.2018 - 12:44 ]

> [...] assuming that Polaris support will be released before or together with Tabor.

https://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8282

Interestingly, the X1000 doesn't support GCN4/Polaris cards (needs CFE update for this).

"The CFE source code/development was done prior to us getting involved. We are working to obtain the source code so we can update it for modern graphics cards."
https://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8282#99967

"When we obtain the CFE source code we can fix this problem. I have made enquiries. The X1000 CFE development was contracted out before we got involved."
https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=42923&forum=32#818096

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I am a little concerned about future support for any OS on the X1000, but can't blame Trevor much, as he did suggest to me that I wait for the X5000, before, or at the time I ordered my X1000. I think that support for AmigaOS4.1FE and any later versions, is questionable on any hardware, considering the current state of affairs at Hyperion, and the continuing (mis)management of the development by the primary stock holder's past, present, and likely to continue future decisions.

I don't expect to ever see MorphOS running on the X1000, but that doesn't stop me from hoping that one or two MorphOS Dev. Team members port 3.11, or some future version to the X1000 (perhaps as a bounty???), in the future.

>> the X1000 doesn't support GCN4/Polaris cards (needs CFE update for this).

> I am a little concerned about future support for any OS
> on the X1000 [...]. I think that support for AmigaOS4.1FE
> and any later versions, is questionable on any hardware

Just to note that what I reported has nothing to do with any OS but is apparently a compatibility issue between board firmware and graphics cards. A-Eon seems willing to eliminate the issue by updating the firmware as soon as it is able to get hold of the source code. What I find strange though (and did so already 2 years ago when I reported first about it) is that a hardware company doesn't have the source code to the firmware for its own board.

Update:

>> 1080P resolutions are kind of expected by the general public.
>> How well do you think an A1222 will do at this resolution?

> In case you refer to video decoding:
> The result depends on the UVD support of the OS. An OS with UVD support
> like Linux will do fine even with a low-end GPU. An OS without UVD support
> (as well as for the 2nd CPU core) will do badly even with a high-end GPU
> as not supporting UVD means the CPU will have to do the H264 1080p
> decoding which a single 1.2 GHz e500v2 core cannot do in realtime.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=55&topic_id=12184&start=239

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> A-Eon seems willing to eliminate the issue by updating the firmware as soon as
> it is able to get hold of the source code. What I find strange though […] is that a
> hardware company doesn't have the source code to the firmware for its own board.

"in 2012, A-EON Technology Ltd paid a Hyperion contractor for the last CFE update to fix support for the Voodoo graphics cards and a few minor issues. […] When then RX compatiblity issue was first identified I asked for the source code to be returned and updated and was told that the source code was lost. It later transpired that the source code was not actually lost despite what I was told at the time. All along the former Hyperion management had the source code and after some persuasion handed it over to the ExecSG team, not A-EON. So the next step is for A-EON to retrieve the source to the Amiga Developer server and complete the work within the Amiga Developer Team."
https://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=129219#forumpost129219

"The AmigaDeveloper Team do not have the CFE source code. If it is returned, we can take a look at updating it."
https://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=132611#forumpost132611


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[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 19.08.2022 - 23:47 ]

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> compatibility issue between board firmware and graphics cards.

An X1000 owner managed to boot his machine with a GCN4/Polaris card by altering the content of CFE's STARTUP variable to bypass the grapics card initialization:

https://os4welt-de.translate.goog/viewtopic.php?t=2639&_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en (automatic Google translation)

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Dirty hack, hard to do. CFE is a bitch. Hypex made a great guide, earned rakija ;)
https://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8999&start=20

Anyway, sold my x1000 to Kas1e if it helps some future MOS ports and backports.
In midst of this madness :) Kudos to kas1e, big up myself :)

My adds to how CFE is awful

USB boot

My line is for fat16 stick. Copy amigaboot.of there.

Cfe sees just upper two USBs and maps them to kbd and mouse only. Once it's passed and Linux or os4 boot USB can be anywhere

But for cfe boot, unplug Mouse and put stick there. Stop CFE boot with f, and then type menu and take usb boot. Works.

Drivers

Audio yes Lyle did driver on os4 depot and comes in oS4.1fe

Network
Linux only. Driver on os4.1 times out. I have lan and WI Fi cards that work on os4.1. wanted to send, you said bare board. Still can and want

Video
Buy Radeon V4 and enhancer2

No 3d and hw 2d in Linux, openGl broken


CD Boot

Addendum: following the Ubuntu Aeon paid Linux layout, you could make a bat file and make other CDs install But due to leecheng most recent files I recommend running netinstalls. I recommend Ubuntu 14 Lts with Mate, but aeon team made some moronix, phoenix. Good old deb understands the cfe pain and in the end of install will give you proper boot cfe line, you need to enter on your own. Good luck and may Linux be with you Serbian ppc penguin

Cfe can boot from first and third sata

CFE and FS

Contrary to claims cfe cannot take kernel or amigaboot.of from anything but ffs and fat16. That is why instead of card one should make small file holder partition and point CFE to it, Linux style. Fat32 maybe. This is overly complicating but I believe Hypex did help with boot manager that came too late for vox. But should be defaulted. Thanks man!
Enter


SOFT RESET RADEON HD

Explain to him gfx card issue on soft reset due to cfe and x86 combo BIOS. Uboot have some compatibility layer. All this was reported by Hypex and me in fora and nobody gives q fuck


[ Edited by vox 16.10.2022 - 04:48 ]

Update:

> https://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=129219#forumpost129219
> [...]
> https://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=132611#forumpost132611

"According to Solie, the problem here was that the sourcecode for the 'CFE' firmware used in that particular machine was lost - fortunately it was found again in the meantime. However, the system is so old that it can no longer be compiled with current compilers - which is why Solie is currently trying to set up an older system with the help of a virtual machine, which will then hopefully produce executable binaries."
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2022-10-00104-EN.html

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Extremely trustful team, cant save firmware source at AEON.
And like in incomplete Libre, everything is there, inn progress, and no results.

Bad for communism, not worth mentioning in capitalism.

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Damn it, why he did not warn me, and all x1000 customers? CFE was never advertised!



[ Edited by vox 28.10.2022 - 19:26 ]

> CFE was never advertised!

From Trevor Dickinson in April 2010:

"The A1-X1000’s BIOS is the Common Firmware Environment, or CFE."
https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=30985&forum=42#550233