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ASiegel

# 235
Posts: 1370 from 2003/2/15

From: Central Europe

Quote:

Intuition wrote:

Does a PC running OS4 under emulation become an Amiga now?

No, because, like the fabled Mac Mini port, it is not officially supported / sanctioned
»12.11.15 - 10:44

BSzili

# 236
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 559 from 2012/6/8

From: Hungary

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> When you put a PPC CPU on a motherboard, it turns into an Amiga.

I don't think so. Before the Pegasos II was supported by OS4, it surely wasn't considered an Amiga by OS4 fans. This changed virtually overnight. Accordingly, the Pegasos I never seemed to be considered an Amiga. So the criterion for them seems to be the (announced) support by OS4, which makes sense if you think about it.

I have to agree with the OS4 part, but the Pegasos II is a bit of an exception. I have got the impression that it's not considered an Amiga by many because its ties with the blue camp, but I could be wrong about this.
To refine my condition: has a PPC CPU and it's officially supported by OS4. :)

[ Edited by BSzili 12.11.2015 - 12:17 ]
This is just like television, only you can see much further.
»12.11.15 - 11:16

Andreas_Wolf

# 237
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12080 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

>> Does a PC running OS4 under emulation become an Amiga now?

> isn't the newly announced A.L.I.C.E. just that?

Is A.L.I.C.E. officially endorsed by Hyperion? It seems to be an AmiKit project.

http://www.facebook.com/AmiKit/photos/a.10151489080964280.1073741825.113127184279/10153623048664280/
http://www.facebook.com/AmiKit/photos/a.10152402112049280.1073741826.113127184279/10153627951184280/
http://www.facebook.com/AmiKit/photos/a.10151489080964280.1073741825.113127184279/10153646355779280/
http://www.facebook.com/AmiKit/photos/a.10151489080964280.1073741825.113127184279/10153669758664280/
http://twitter.com/AmiKit_Amiga/status/651837613251371008
http://twitter.com/AmiKit_Amiga/status/654400428633944066
http://twitter.com/AmiKit_Amiga/status/656426471725121536
http://forum.amiga.sk/index.php?action=vthread&forum=1&topic=1498#msg6425

I'm not sure about the kind of A-Eon's involvement, though.
»12.11.15 - 11:46

Spectre660

# 238
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 275 from 2015/6/30

Starting from 15:08 of Trevor's 2015 Amiwest presentation .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keq73eymtPM

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
>> Does a PC running OS4 under emulation become an Amiga now?

> isn't the newly announced A.L.I.C.E. just that?

Is A.L.I.C.E. officially endorsed by Hyperion? It seems to be an AmiKit project.

http://www.facebook.com/AmiKit/photos/a.10151489080964280.1073741825.113127184279/10153623048664280/
http://www.facebook.com/AmiKit/photos/a.10152402112049280.1073741826.113127184279/10153627951184280/
http://www.facebook.com/AmiKit/photos/a.10151489080964280.1073741825.113127184279/10153646355779280/
http://www.facebook.com/AmiKit/photos/a.10151489080964280.1073741825.113127184279/10153669758664280/
http://twitter.com/AmiKit_Amiga/status/651837613251371008
http://twitter.com/AmiKit_Amiga/status/654400428633944066
http://twitter.com/AmiKit_Amiga/status/656426471725121536
http://forum.amiga.sk/index.php?action=vthread&forum=1&topic=1498#msg6425

I'm not sure about the kind of A-Eon's involvement, though.
»12.11.15 - 12:28

Andreas_Wolf

# 239
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12080 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

>> I'm not sure about the kind of A-Eon's involvement, though.

> Starting from 15:08 of Trevor's 2015 Amiwest presentation .
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keq73eymtPM

Even after watching I'm still not sure whether or not this is going to be an official A-Eon product.
»12.11.15 - 17:26

Spectre660

# 240
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 275 from 2015/6/30

It is.
A-Eon seem to be able to get various individuals and groups together for collaboration on projects .

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
>> I'm not sure about the kind of A-Eon's involvement, though.

> Starting from 15:08 of Trevor's 2015 Amiwest presentation .
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keq73eymtPM

Even after watching I'm still not sure whether or not this is going to be an official A-Eon product.
»12.11.15 - 17:47

ASiegel

# 241
Posts: 1370 from 2003/2/15

From: Central Europe

Quote:

Spectre660 wrote:
It is.
A-Eon seem to be able to get various individuals and groups together for collaboration on projects.

Yet, Hyperion Entertainment's representative at the show reiterated that systems running WinUAE are not officially supported... Given the terms of the software license, running the OS on this piece of hardware is legally questionable (depending on where you live, etc) so it is not all moonlight and roses, I am afraid.
»12.11.15 - 18:36

Yasu

# 242
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22

From: Stockholm, Sweden

It's pretty obvious that they want people to use FE in emulation (lots of potential extra revenue) but they can't of course say that outright. I saw some emulated FE at Neuss and Hyperion didn't go there demanding them to shut it off. Most probably they just pretended not seeing it.
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»12.11.15 - 20:27

Andreas_Wolf

# 243
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12080 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> they can't of course say that outright.

Why is that?
»12.11.15 - 21:55

Yasu

# 244
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22

From: Stockholm, Sweden

Legal reasons I suppose.
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»12.11.15 - 22:38

Kronos

# 245
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Posts: 2240 from 2003/2/24

Quote:

Yasu wrote:
Legal reasons I suppose.

My guess is more a combination of ideoligy and not wanting to support something while stll taking the money.
»13.11.15 - 08:29

takemehomegrandma

# 246
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 2720 from 2003/2/24

Quote:

BSzili wrote:
It's just like transubstantiation. When you put a PPC CPU on a motherboard, it turns into an Amiga. Unless of course it's Apple branded, which is kind of ironic, since their boards have more custom designed components than any of the A-Eon boards allegedly "attacked" here.

I think this post was excellent in every way!

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»13.11.15 - 19:44

takemehomegrandma

# 247
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Posts: 2720 from 2003/2/24

Quote:

Kronos wrote:
Quote:

Yasu wrote:
Legal reasons I suppose.

My guess is more a combination of ideoligy and not wanting to support something while stll taking the money.

Definitely! Support means responsibility! Taking money is just sweet...

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»13.11.15 - 21:21

Andreas_Wolf

# 248
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12080 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> I think this post was excellent in every way!

Even the author does not think so anymore :-)
»13.11.15 - 22:38

Andreas_Wolf

# 249
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12080 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

>> Even after watching I'm still not sure whether or not this is going to be an
>> official A-Eon product.

> It is.

Press release (4 weeks late):

http://www.a-eon.biz/PDF/News_Release_ALICE.pdf
»14.11.15 - 06:59

BSzili

# 250
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 559 from 2012/6/8

From: Hungary

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> I think this post was excellent in every way!

Even the author does not think so anymore

Maybe not in every way, but even I can't deny it's excellence. I wouldn't want to be accused of false modesty :D
This is just like television, only you can see much further.
»14.11.15 - 08:50

Andreas_Wolf

# 251
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12080 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> even I can't deny it's excellence.

If the original posting was excellent, I don't even know a word that can do justice to the refined one :-)
»14.11.15 - 13:52

redrumloa

# 252
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1424 from 2003/4/13

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
>> Even after watching I'm still not sure whether or not this is going to be an
>> official A-Eon product.

> It is.

Press release (4 weeks late):

http://www.a-eon.biz/PDF/News_Release_ALICE.pdf

I still don't get it. Why is this a product and who will buy it?
»14.11.15 - 14:06

Kronos

# 253
Moderator

Posts: 2240 from 2003/2/24

Quote:

redrumloa wrote:

I still don't get it. Why is this a product ....

Cos enough stupid has been added.

Quote:

and who will buy it?

The faith runs low with this one.
»14.11.15 - 14:09

Yasu

# 254
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22

From: Stockholm, Sweden

I would want one if the cost is resonable and it can boot up in a USB stick.
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»14.11.15 - 15:48

Jim

# 255
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Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28

From: Delaware, USA

Quote:

redrumloa wrote:

I still don't get it. Why is this a product and who will buy it?

Me either.
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»14.11.15 - 16:05

Intuition

# 256
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1110 from 2013/5/24

From: Nederland

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
>> Even after watching I'm still not sure whether or not this is going to be an
>> official A-Eon product.

> It is.

Press release (4 weeks late):

http://www.a-eon.biz/PDF/News_Release_ALICE.pdf

Will be interesting to see how the faithful justify how this thing is "a real Amiga" but Amithlon wasn't.
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»14.11.15 - 19:51

Yasu

# 257
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22

From: Stockholm, Sweden

Quote:

Will be interesting to see how the faithful justify how this thing is "a real Amiga" but Amithlon wasn't.

By having a seal of approvement from a third party developer that isn't CUSA?
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»14.11.15 - 22:07

Intuition

# 258
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1110 from 2013/5/24

From: Nederland

Quote:

Yasu wrote:
Quote:

Will be interesting to see how the faithful justify how this thing is "a real Amiga" but Amithlon wasn't.

By having a seal of approvement from a third party developer that isn't CUSA?

CUSA had nothing to do with Amithlon, they came a decade later.

Amithlon was an officially sanctioned Amiga Inc product (at one point).
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»14.11.15 - 22:18

Yasu

# 259
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22

From: Stockholm, Sweden

I meant that they got a seal of approvement from A-Eon and is therefore an Amiga. A seal of approvement from CUSA (also a third party developer) isn't worth anything. Just like an PPC Apple machine can't be an Amiga while the PC:esque X5000 can.
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»15.11.15 - 07:39