He is Costel Mincea, who seems to be level headed and honest about the topic. This is more effective than calling people names, or pretending that there is no issue at all.

> I have never heard of Cyborg before

You can read about his Amiga history there:

http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/search.html?frmWords=mincea

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=797653&postcount=145

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> By plans have changed I was referring to Acube's role.

What's their role in Tabor?

>> [...] single core results [...]

> OS4 doesn't have SMP and probably never will.

That's why he posted single-core results, I reckon :-)

Sometimes you join a organization were plans are already in motion.
You have input in future plans but no much in those that may have started before you joined.

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>>> By plans have changed I was referring to Acube's role.

>> What's their role in Tabor?

> Sometimes you join a organization were plans are already in motion. You have input in
> future plans but no much in those that may have started before you joined.

You mean ACube joined the Tabor effort after it was started? What's their role in it?

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> I suspect that QorIQ T1 wasn't available when Tabor idea was born and design process started.

Confirmation:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=797651

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Speculation mode on:

Joint Sales and Marketing, Uboot updates, assistance with drivers .

Speculation Mode off:

Going from a production run of about 50 boards to one of 1000 boards would require some reworking of operations for all involved .


[ Edited by Spectre660 19.10.2015 - 12:18 ]

Correction:

> Considering that the ACube webshop hasn't had listed any Sam460 board or system
> for a while now, I'm afraid this has already happened.

"I have asked ACube on their Facebook page about the Sam460CR and they told me they have no intention of stopping its production."
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40622&forum=2&start=560#771284

I find the topic of this thread to be very distasteful and I am indeed surprised that this type of thread exists on MorphZone. Even more shocking instead of deleting the thread or at least locking it, there is a 5 page discussion. I don't visit AmigaWorld all the time, but from what I have experienced, even this specific type of discussion does not exist on AmigaWorld. The reason I do not visit AmigaWorld is because I already know the current status of Amiga and AmigaOS. I visit MorphZone to see updates concerning MorphZone, not to see distasteful and vulgar and for some reason very active thread. I will not be visiting MorphZone since this activity continues.

Except for an off color nickname given to the board by the OP, what exactly is wrong with this thread? Why would you have a problem discussing a commercial product shown publicly by a for profit company? I seriously doubt you would be flabbergasted if we were discussing a toaster or a television.

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Yes, I would have to agree. It is a shame that the SAM460 might be cancelled so soon after MorphOS has been ported to it, but I never understood the decision to port MorphOS to it at all anyway.

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I don't really know anything about availability of any SAM boards or systems, but I suspect that if there were greater demand for them, ACube would have had more of them produced to meet that demand.

I have specifically asked Acube on their FB page if Sam460cr is still a thing, and they said that they are not stopping production and going to make more. This means COULD mean that:

1. Acube are not involved with A1222
2. A1222 is (A)Eons away
3. A1222 will be more expensive than Sam460CR
4. Sam460CR is getting a massive price cut

5. Answer was provided by marketing.

> I am indeed surprised that this type of thread exists on MorphZone. Even more shocking
> instead of deleting the thread or at least locking it, there is a 5 page discussion.

You haven't read anything of it except the thread title, have you?

> from what I have experienced, even this specific type of discussion does not exist
> on AmigaWorld.

You are wrong. It's no different type of discussion. You would know if you had read it.

> I visit MorphZone to see updates concerning MorphZone

Then this is the wrong subforum here. Go there instead:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewforum.php?forum=14

> not to see distasteful and vulgar and for some reason very active thread.

You again are referring only to the thread title, not the discussion in this thread.

> I will not be visiting MorphZone since this activity continues.

Good riddance.

The title of this discussion thread has been altered to more accurately reflect the serious nature of most posts therein.

While the use of adult language is not banned on MorphZone, it seems appropriate to be careful about its use with regard to discussion topics that are displayed prominently on the front page. If I visited MorphZone for the first time and saw a discussion topic like the one that has been previously used for this discussion, I could see myself getting the wrong idea about the general friendliness of the MorphOS community and the level of insightful discussions that can be expected on this website.

It is saddening to think that the attention-seeking behaviour of individuals could unnecessarily harm the reputation of MorphOS and its user base.

@Overflow

that is from annual report of Applied Micro Circuits. It explains I think why a different processor is selected and new hardware developed. And it shows the decline of PPC in general.


"As part of our current business, we offer a line of embedded computing products based on Power Architecture, sometimes referred to as PowerPC
products. Our HeliX family of embedded products is based on the ARM Instruction Set Architecture (“ISA”), and we expect that our future embedded
processor products will also be based on the ARM ISA. Our embedded processor products are currently deployed in applications such as control- and dataplane
management, wireless access points, residential gateways, wireless base stations, storage controllers, network attached storage, network switches and
routing products, and multi-function printers.

We do not own or operate foundries for the production of silicon wafers from which our products are made. We use external foundries, primarily Taiwan
Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation (“TSMC”) and to a lesser extent, IBM, for our silicon wafer needs. In late 2014, IBM announced that it had
agreed to sell its foundry business to GlobalFoundries, which we believe has contributed to the continuing decline in demand for our PowerPC products,
which are based on IBM’s Power Architecture. Subcontracting our manufacturing requirements eliminates the high fixed cost of owning and operating a
semiconductor wafer fabrication facility and enables us to

For our Computing
business, as well, the migration of the networking industry away from products utilizing the PowerPC architecture and towards products utilizing other
architectures such as ARM, has presented challenges. In line with such migration, we are no longer introducing new PowerPC product designs and are
reducing our resources equipped to support our older PowerPC product lines. Moreover, as many of our older, PowerPC-based Computing products are
experiencing declining sales, we will increasingly depend on revenues from our new ARM-based products, such as the X-Gene product family and our HeliX
embedded products."

Source:
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/711065/000144530514002375/amcc331201410-k.htm

[ Editiert durch OlafSch 20.10.2015 - 09:02 ]

> that is from annual report of Applied Micro Circuits.

This statement is from early 2014 and was quoted at that time here on MorphZone:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&start=836

> It explains I think why a different processor is selected

Trevor said at AmiWest 2015 that Tabor development started before the fully compatible QorIQ T1 became available (else they would have opted for it). Sample availability of the T1 was announced for first half of 2013, which means start of Tabor development including choice of QorIQ P1 happened before the Applied Micro statement was published (even considering a potential delay of T1 sample availability by half a year).
Other than lack of experience with Applied Micro chips and a slightly higher price (but still cheaper than e500mc-based and also available back then P204x), I see no reason why A-Eon and Varisys couldn't have used a fully compatible PacketPro/APM86x9x/Mamba/PPC465 chip from Applied Micro instead of the Freescale QorIQ P1022/e500v2. Chips from the last Power Architecture generation from Applied Micro can still be purchased in volume on the free market, and this won't change in the midterm.

@Andreas_Wolf

I'm not an expert, but somehow I find it a bit unlikely that the design process would have taken two years (or more). It's a fairly simple board, based on a SoC, built in a mini-itx form factor.

I think it's more likely that Trevor either didn't fully understand the implications of using this CPU, or that he understood but underestimated the consequences so he went ahead anyway. Common cluelessness, i'd say. Just like them ultimate ppc guys back then. But they pulled the plug once they found out about the true nature of the e500v2. While Trevor orders 1,000 units...

> somehow I find it a bit unlikely that the design process would have taken two years (or more).
> It's a fairly simple board, based on a SoC

You're assuming A-Eon paid Varisys for full-time working hours to design the Tabor board. We don't know whether this is the case. If the design process didn't start before 2014, why wouldn't they have designed the board around the faster, (slightly) cheaper and fully compatible e5500-based QorIQ T1? This wouldn't make the slightest sense. So I believe Trevor when he says that the T1 wasn't available when Tabor design started. Question is whether the design started before or after announcement of the first specific T1 chip, which was in June 2012.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=7001&start=736

Btw, according to Trevor, Nemo board design started in early 2009 and was finalized (v2.1) mid-2011. This is 2.5 years. Admittedly, with the SB600 southbridge and the xCORE stuff this is a more sophisticated design than Tabor. Cyrus board design (with xCORE stuff, but no southbridge) started late 2012 at the latest and was finalized (v2.2) mid-2015. This is also at least 2.5 years.

Trying to establish when the T series was available .

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/10/idUS93602+10-Oct-2012+BW20121010

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[ Edited by Spectre660 21.10.2015 - 08:20 ]

> Trying to establish when the T series was available .

Seems you ignored the link in my previous comment. Anyway, Freescale announced the following:

June 2012: samples of T1042 and T2080 in first half of 2013
October 2012: samples of T1040 in third quarter of 2013, samples of T1020, T1022 and T2081 soon later

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Trevor would be much better off if he expanded the number of people who advise him to include members of the MorphOS team now that they are essentially a software partner. Right now he seems to be getting advice solely from the very same people who thought targeting a discontinued and criminally underpowered Limebook was a good idea. Resources in any of the NG solutions are sparse, to put it kindly, so wasted effort on nonsense such as the Limebook (and SNAP drivers, and Matrox Parhelia, and Timberwolf, and etc etc), and this Tabor board doesn't help his market.

[ Edited by redrumloa 21.10.2015 - 07:55 ]

I would say that constructive input from members of the MorphOS team in the design of a new motherboard would be very positive for the Amiga community.At the same time Hyperion have not said that they cannot handle the fpu issue.
As the OS 4 implementation of the fpu handling should only target one specific cpu there should be scope to eventually be more optimized than the generic linux implementation .


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