Some questions from a newbie
  • Just looking around
    Posts: 8 from 2017/2/3
    Hi everyone,
    I'm a complete newbie and just installed MorphOS 3.9 on a 12" iBook G4. Installation went fine but I encountered two immediate issues:

    1. When I activate wireless, my wireless access point appears in the list so I know that the Airport card is working. The little dot turns green after I type in my password. When I type in a URL in the browser, I get an error saying that the browser can not connect. Should I be seeing a wifi icon appear on the top of the screen but I'm not getting anything. The browser is a bit confusing to use as well...

    2. Can MorphOS read a USB stick that's been formatted on a PC? I have one with some Amiga applications I want to try and run. The stick shows up on the desktop, shows that there's used/unused space on the disk but when I open it, I see nothing. Does the USB stick need to be formatted in MorphOS before being used to transfer files from my PC?

    3. On some YouTube videos I've seen of MorphOS, the desktop looks very different from the one I have after a clean install. Some individuals have a bar along the bottom with icons to launch applications (like OSX or the taskbar in Windows) and a lot more feedback on the top of the screen (like a wifi symbol) plus other information. The icons look different as well. Are these modifications made after the fact?

    Thanks for any help you might be able to provide!
    Pierre

    [ Edited by pfontaine2 03.02.2017 - 08:05 ]
  • »03.02.17 - 13:01
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    Thank you so much Andreas. I'm looking forward to trying these solutions out. I appreciate the help very much!
    Pierre
  • »03.02.17 - 14:45
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    The links proved to be very helpful. I still can't seem to connect to any websites even though wifi is working via the airport card. When I ping a website, I get no response. Once I can get online, this should open up a world of possibilities.

    Can MorphOS open ADF files? If not, where do I get installation files that MorphOS will be able to open?

    As always, any information would be most helpful.
  • »03.02.17 - 22:42
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    geit
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    If the lamp goes s green your wifi connection is live. However, the reason you are not online is probably the DNS server.

    It probably did not get set properly during DHCP phase, so you only can talk with devices using the ip and not the name. It is not the website ping that fails. It is the name. There is no known (server) way to convert the name into an ip. If you do ping on some other computer e.g. Google.de you get the websites ip. Now on MorphOS you can use that ip inside the browser URL field and google.de will load fine.

    To fix this open the Network settings and open the dns page. Add the ip of your router as DNS Server. Alternative you can use external once, like google. No clue what the up was, but googling should give you the ip. Using some external ip is more handy to avoid such issues when connecting to other networks.

    But using the routers IP should do. The in most cases that's just it.
  • »03.02.17 - 23:33
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Can MorphOS open ADF files?

    "Open" as in "accessing the contained files" or as in "booting like in an m68k Amiga"?
  • »04.02.17 - 00:13
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    I've got applications and games saved as ADF files and I'd like to run them, or install them to the hard drive if possible....so not boot an ADF but run it. Again, thank you so much for your help.
  • »04.02.17 - 00:55
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    In other words, I can see the ADF files but can't click them to launch them. Is there a virtual disk drive I can insert the ADF files into to run them like you can in UAE?
  • »04.02.17 - 01:14
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    Posts: 256 from 2003/4/7
    try this tool:
    Code:

    SYS:Tools/FileImageCtrl
  • »04.02.17 - 03:32
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    I was finally able to get online but on reboot could not connect immediately.
    I'm done for the night but will try the app you suggested tomorrow in order to run ADF files.
    Thanks again for all your help! I was very discouraged last night but as the system slowly comes to life, I can see the potential!
  • »04.02.17 - 03:39
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    pfontaine2 wrote:
    I've got applications and games saved as ADF files and I'd like to run them, or install them to the hard drive if possible....so not boot an ADF but run it. Again, thank you so much for your help.



    ADF images can contain a standard filesystem, which can be mounted as a drive to MorphOS and access the files inside it (for example for installing applications). But ADF images can also contain custom trackloaders without usable filesystems and they can't be read by MorphOS, because they are meant to be booted on a real Amiga and the program (a game in most cases) usually also hits directly to Amiga's custom chips and won't work under MorphOS because of that either (today's MorphOS hardware doesn't have the custom chips or their emulation built-in).

    1) If you want to mount an ADF image containing a standard filesystem, you can do that with the FileImageCtrl program found on your MorphOS installation (you may need to select filesystem for example to "Amiga FFS" if it doesn't autodetect the image file). ADF appears as a normal drive to your desktop then, and you can examine, copy, open, and run files inside it.

    2) If the ADF image is in some custom format, you need to run it under E-UAE. When you install E-UAE there comes some filetype examples in the Bonus directory which give you some context menu entries to launch E-UAE with the selected ADF automatically when you right click any ADF files from Ambient.


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    I was finally able to get online but on reboot could not connect immediately.


    MorphOS (machines) seem to be a bit picky about wireless signal quality, and it might be slowish to establish the connection. Did you try to wait for example minute or two before using the net? It would always be the best to use a wired connection if possible. Even a wireless mini router could make a better experience... or if it's your home router I would advice to try with different wireless channels (1 or 6 for instance).
  • »04.02.17 - 07:06
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > Is there a virtual disk drive I can insert the ADF files into

    Yes, see GMKai and jPV's answers.

    > to run them like you can in UAE?

    No, ADF files are image files, not executable files, so they can't be run on MorphOS, just mounted for accessing the contained files unless they contain no readable file system. In order to "run them like you can in UAE", you need UAE for MorphOS.
  • »04.02.17 - 11:44
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    Thank you everyone for all the fantastic help. I was able to get my system up and running in minimal time with all your help.

    I just installed Chrysalis which really transforms the whole MorphOS experience by providing just about everything one needs in one shot. A few more questions:

    1. After installing Chrysalis, I got an error message stating that there was an error with Arexx. I'll post the actual error message when I get back home if I can get it to reappear. Perhaps I'll try and reinstall Arexx and see if this solves the problem.

    2. Before Chrysalis began installation, it tried to download and install some Truetype fonts but this part of the process failed after it could not download one of the fonts needed. Not certain if this might be problematic down the line.

    2. When opening a window, how do I make it show "list view" or "all icons" by default?

    3 Is there a good tutorials for setting up E-UAE? I tried doing this with ROMS I have from Amiga Forever but was getting error messages when I tried to run the emulator. I've used Amiga Forever before and understand how to load ADF files and so on, it's mostly getting the ROMS recognized that seems to be the problem.

    Again, thank you for all your help. When I first installed MorphOS, I was really quite disappointed but after a few days it's become a really nice alternate OS on my iBook.

    Pierre
  • »06.02.17 - 14:18
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    pfontaine2 wrote:

    2. Before Chrysalis began installation, it tried to download and install some Truetype fonts but this part of the process failed after it could not download one of the fonts needed. Not certain if this might be problematic down the line.


    Maybe you encourtered this recentish issue: link? IIRC the latest Chrysalis beta should have fixed the issue?


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    2. When opening a window, how do I make it show "list view" or "all icons" by default?


    Check Ambient Settings -> Window -> View Behaviour to set the default view modes. And you can also save view mode per window by snapshotting the window (right click the window title bar or any empty area in the window contents area, and select "Snapshot -> Window".


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    3 Is there a good tutorials for setting up E-UAE? I tried doing this with ROMS I have from Amiga Forever but was getting error messages when I tried to run the emulator. I've used Amiga Forever before and understand how to load ADF files and so on, it's mostly getting the ROMS recognized that seems to be the problem.


    There are couple PDF files for that at least... they did look quite extensive with a quick look, can't remember where they were, but try to google a bit. I think there was one at meta-morphos...


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    Again, thank you for all your help. When I first installed MorphOS, I was really quite disappointed but after a few days it's become a really nice alternate OS on my iBook.


    Good to hear that! It's too common that people just take a quick look and make presumptions by their previous experiences, and say it's crap because it doesn't work out of the box like the other systems they've used, and just won't bother look any deeper and learn anything new.

    [ Edited by jPV 06.02.2017 - 18:17 ]
  • »06.02.17 - 16:12
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