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Sometimes, less is more. Trying to cram functionality that most folk would rarely use is recipe for bloatware. I would prefer something simple but well thought through that would make full advantage of OS on which it runs.

Hi !

I allready asked the author of Cinnamon Writer in february about a morphos-port.
His answer was, that he first would make one for AROS (I think this is available in the meantime)
He was not aversed of the idea to support morphos.
Maybe some more people should write him - and of course it could help
to announce some donations for the morphos-port
(There is a donate-button on his site: http://desler.be)

I think that would be perfect. Since Excel reader (IcExcel) is out there already that's a "next step" way.

There are editors for MorphOS already (NoWinEd plus more) so what I think should be done is:
- doc (as biff) file decoding/encoding
- docx (as xml) file decoding/encoding
- odt (as ?) file decoding/encoding
- rtf
- pdf export

So all we need is writting several parsers/encoders, based on the standard with accessible specs.

What is definitely wasting time and/or money for a change:
- making a processor look like openoffice so trying to pretend to imitate MS Word

95% of OO features are either redundant, pointless, broken, hardly used, or just hard to use at all. I suppose OO guys should focus on QA, stability or productivity instead of ripping all MS ideas plus looks and feels only to have "their own homegrown Britney Spears".

I bear in mind the Apple iWork Pages example. I've been using it for long time and it merely resembles MS Office. Instead, key features were coded plus the stress on productivity. The outcome is brilliant and isn't reinventing the wheel btw.

My 2 euroc.

If we stop fighting against the alien os we could have Open office X11 server, supposingly that's what AOS4.x does, not sure
I want open office

I think the same, Open Office It's very important now for MorphOS

regards

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But costs lotsa time.

Why not making doc encoder/decoder in any existing MorphOS processor as a milestone I?

I mean we can continue talking "OO is important" for next five years but it won't make anything happen.

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Hi,

yes It's true, but Are you sure none is working about this one at the moment (OO) ?.

Sure an encoder/decoder could be useful (better then nothing), but sure this very good O.S. MorphOS 2.x need now an Open Office porting.

regards

there was a working bounty on a solution to this( i might of contributed to) a while back not sure of the status, as this has come up on numerous threads i responded to or started myself. All I'm saying is mac osX has the x11 setup of Ooo and apparently AOS4.X has some alien Oo too (please confirm), so with a nicely speedwise system now (macmini) where's our solution, other than google docs?

squeaky wheel gets the most oil
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=1609

there's also on AW.net
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4681
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4666

[ Edited by xyphoid on 2010/4/24 21:56 ]

[ Edited by xyphoid on 2010/4/24 22:13 ]

OS4 doesn't have OpenOffice, no (not even through a X11 trashport).

Good...I mean that's too bad, but still they have this release of ?AbiWord 2.6.2 for AmiCygnix released abiword for amicygnix
and the gnome office suite

Btw: Has anybody ever asked Softwood for source of FinalWriter? I think this would be the quickest way to get a wordprocessor on AOS4/MOS (if Softwood even exists any more and will give us the source....)! 68K-version runs good, but has slight bugs - and it realy needs an update....(import/export, etc.)
Same for Amiwriter ( and ..... oh, no, I don't ask for Papyrus....!)

@Amigaharry2

About seven or eight years ago, IIRC. But they doubted back then that someone in the Amiga market could pay them enough.

Unfortunately I don't have that e-mail anymore, thus I can't provide you with any contact details in case you'd like to try again. Back then I simply got it by the whois query.

> mac osX has the x11 setup of Ooo

It has a real native (Aqua) one as well.

http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/

Why do you think all we need is plug a couple of import and export filters to one of our regular text editors? The hard part in a word processor is the "what you see is what you get" (WYSIWYG), thus seeing on screen what will come out in paper.
So we need a powerful layout engine, something able to display on screen (and translato to paper) a truckload of mixed and organized text, graphics, styles, etc. You can do it in a typesetting environment, such as the brilliant PageStream, but it's not practical as a word processor. Perhaps Softwood's Final Writer or Digita Wordworth could be enough for us, mostly if considered a starting point.
What about using Orygin Web Browser (OWB) layout engine? Is it prepared somehow to allow on screen editing of the amazing things it can display?

Unfortunately, the Webkit rendering engine's JavaScript core has a number of issues that prevent any of the common and readily available JavaScript-based WYSIWYG editors to work properly. This especially affects the ability to select layout elements such as pictures and resize or move them by dragging the mouse cursor.

These problems have been known for years. It is not obvious why they have not been fixed yet considering how many large corporations use and contribute to Webkit.

Also, it would certainly help performance if OWB had a just-in-time JavaScript compiler.

That said, the layout part of Webkit is certainly more than capable to power Office-type applications. Since there are issues with JavaScript, a better approach might be to write a browser plug-in using NPAPI that enables users to manipulate CSS-formatted content in real-time (development tools such as Firebug offer this functionality to a degree).

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Mr. Desler got back to me via email this AM. As you stated, he would very much like to see Cinnamon Writer ported to Morphos - however, as I expected, he simply doesn't have the hardware. He is not infavor of a bounty system as he feels users should be able to try the product first to deside if they wish to support it :) (I like this guy!)

However - he asked me to put this out to all of us on MorphZone....

"I would very much like to have some help with porting of some small OS-specific code that SHOULD enable CW to compile on MorphOS without any problems. If you know such a person who would like to look into this and could put me in contact with this person, this would be immense help"

Please send me a PM if you wish me to help you get in contact with Claus directly.

I offered to give him my Efika to help but seems unrealistic to ship the guy...but I may resort to that if need be - assuming it could make the trip without damage.

Andre, thankyou for your insightful comments. I didn't even know about JavaScript text editors! Could you point me to any of those?

Nice initiative, Debaser, please thank Claus on my part. Has anyone here used Cinnamon Writer? I'd like to know about how it performs.