I think Scout would be more useful to me than Exposé, as it's a system tool, and can end a failed task, sometimes, and MorphOS Task Manager does not seem to have the same ability to force an application to end, if it has failed/frozen, but I believe Scout has a more effective implementation of this functionality - is that correct?

> Scout [...] can end a failed task, sometimes, and MorphOS Task Manager does not seem
> to have the same ability to force an application to end, if it has failed/frozen, but I
> believe Scout has a more effective implementation of this functionality - is that correct?

Yes, it is. Actually, TaskManager has no functionality to "remove" frozen tasks. More details regarding TaskManager, ikill, freeze and Scout:

http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5532&forum=9&start=50 (comment #51)
http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6842&forum=3&start=19
http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=10103&forum=9&start=1
http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11603&forum=53&start=4

Sounds like a very good idea! I will support it, since I plan to do some fiddling around with MorphOS-programming this year myself.

Very good idea, go for it!

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Yes, needed. Can't count the number of times I have to kill processes under Windows, and under MorphOS I'm forced to reboot.
Great idea.

Why do you plan a rewrite? Why not upgrade existing Scout? Most things are already good, I think. Just the old list displays need to be removed, CIA A/B is not accurate anymore but I think it does not have to be rewritten from scratch.

> Yes, needed. [...] under MorphOS I'm forced to reboot. Great idea.

I doubt ScoutNG will change this, as it won't add memory protection or resource tracking to MorphOS.

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I had a brief look at the source code and I will not touch it even for 10x more cash. Also, since the original is opensource, it'd mean I cannot show stuff that relies on private APIs and structures - and with a closed source approach I can.

So, if the original code is too obtuse/messy to untangle into something manageable then have you a plan of your own to implement something with similar functionality for MorphOS or are you going to have to drop this plan for the time-being?

> have you a plan of your own to implement something with similar functionality
> for MorphOS [...]?

Isn't this exactly what his bounty proposal is about?

I would put in for this. I think its a much needed tool that should even be included in the core OS itself! Dont let this idea die!

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If memory protection was my issue, then I wouldn't need to kill processes under Windows.
But you may have a point about system recovery on lock ups, as lockups may often be the result of an improper write to another processes address space.
That still doesn't negate the utility of being able to kill errant processes.

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>>> Yes, needed. [...] under MorphOS I'm forced to reboot. Great idea.

>> I doubt ScoutNG will change this, as it won't add memory protection
>> or resource tracking to MorphOS.

> If memory protection was my issue

Reasons reboot is required under MorphOS are lack of memory protection (after buggy task played havoc with system structures) or, as I mentioned as well, lack of resource tracking (if buggy task crashed itself and another instance of it can't be invoked because required system resources are still in use and can't be freed).

> That still doesn't negate the utility of being able to kill errant processes.

Yes, I was talking about rebooting, not killing crashed tasks. Under MorphOS the utility of killing crashed tasks instead of rebooting is largely cosmetical (removal of windows belonging to crashed task) anyway. Best utility is when a crashed task consumes 100% CPU and TaskManager can merely be used to minimize the task priority. That's when being able to kill the task is of benefit (unless you want to restart the task where the resource tracking issue mentioned above kicks in, so reboot is required).

I'll donate to this, it's definitely needed.

How long roughly would you need to to develop the first version?

I have open a new bounty dedicated to Scout NG on http://www.warmup-asso.org/. Just specify "Scout NG" in comments of your donation. Thanks jacadcaps to propose new projects for MorphOS.

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I should be able to deliver in around 2 months after 3.10 is released. Updates will follow even after the bounty has completed.

You can donate at WArMUp

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The donate button doesn't appear on Firefox for Android.

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Sounds good. Hopefully 3.10 isn't too far off :)

@Intuition: i have just installed last version of Firefox on my phone under Android and there is the Paypal button.

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It's there if I use Chrome or Opera but not Firefox.

Probably uBlock Origin blocking it.

I'll donate on Monday.

Bounty finalized in six days ! Thanks a lot to all donors and jacadcaps to propose this new project for MorphOS.

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Is the donate button still active, so people (like me) can donate additional funds, and make jadacaps time paid at a higher rate per hour? I doubt that the amount he specified will pay him any where close to regular programmer rates that he should be making, if the work were being done for an employer, or he was doing work unrelated to a hobby of his choice.

Hi amigadave,

yes the paypal button still active all the year 2017

You must just specify the name of your project in comment of your donation.

If you want go up more than asked if possible of course.

Indeed, my expression is not exact: "the bounty was reached" and not "the bounty is finalized"

Quick status update: no news for now. Super busy with an email client. I'll start doing some work on this project when 3.10 is out.

> Super busy with an email client. I'll start doing some work on this project
> when 3.10 is out.

Does this mean the email client will make it into 3.10? :-)