ScoutNG bounty proposal
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    NewSense
    Posts: 1245 from 2012/11/10
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    I think Scout would be more useful to me than Exposé, as it's a system tool, and can end a failed task, sometimes, and MorphOS Task Manager does not seem to have the same ability to force an application to end, if it has failed/frozen, but I believe Scout has a more effective implementation of this functionality - is that correct?
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 465 from 2015/6/18
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    Sounds like a very good idea! I will support it, since I plan to do some fiddling around with MorphOS-programming this year myself.
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2710 from 2003/2/24
    Very good idea, go for it! :-)
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  • Jim
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    Jim
    Posts: 4965 from 2009/1/28
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    Quote:

    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    Very good idea, go for it! :-)


    Yes, needed. Can't count the number of times I have to kill processes under Windows, and under MorphOS I'm forced to reboot.
    Great idea.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    connor
    Posts: 545 from 2007/7/29
    Why do you plan a rewrite? Why not upgrade existing Scout? Most things are already good, I think. Just the old list displays need to be removed, CIA A/B is not accurate anymore but I think it does not have to be rewritten from scratch.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11609 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Yes, needed. [...] under MorphOS I'm forced to reboot. Great idea.

    I doubt ScoutNG will change this, as it won't add memory protection or resource tracking to MorphOS.
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2666 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
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    connor wrote:
    Why do you plan a rewrite? Why not upgrade existing Scout? Most things are already good, I think. Just the old list displays need to be removed, CIA A/B is not accurate anymore but I think it does not have to be rewritten from scratch.


    I had a brief look at the source code and I will not touch it even for 10x more cash. Also, since the original is opensource, it'd mean I cannot show stuff that relies on private APIs and structures - and with a closed source approach I can.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    NewSense
    Posts: 1245 from 2012/11/10
    From: Manchester, UK/GB
    So, if the original code is too obtuse/messy to untangle into something manageable then have you a plan of your own to implement something with similar functionality for MorphOS or are you going to have to drop this plan for the time-being?
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11609 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > have you a plan of your own to implement something with similar functionality
    > for MorphOS [...]?

    Isn't this exactly what his bounty proposal is about?
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Acill
    Posts: 1907 from 2003/10/19
    From: Port Hueneme, Ca.
    I would put in for this. I think its a much needed tool that should even be included in the core OS itself! Dont let this idea die!
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  • Jim
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    Jim
    Posts: 4965 from 2009/1/28
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Yes, needed. [...] under MorphOS I'm forced to reboot. Great idea.

    I doubt ScoutNG will change this, as it won't add memory protection or resource tracking to MorphOS.


    If memory protection was my issue, then I wouldn't need to kill processes under Windows.
    But you may have a point about system recovery on lock ups, as lockups may often be the result of an improper write to another processes address space.
    That still doesn't negate the utility of being able to kill errant processes.

    [ Edited by Jim 13.01.2017 - 07:19 ]
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11609 from 2003/5/22
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    >>> Yes, needed. [...] under MorphOS I'm forced to reboot. Great idea.

    >> I doubt ScoutNG will change this, as it won't add memory protection
    >> or resource tracking to MorphOS.

    > If memory protection was my issue

    Reasons reboot is required under MorphOS are lack of memory protection (after buggy task played havoc with system structures) or, as I mentioned as well, lack of resource tracking (if buggy task crashed itself and another instance of it can't be invoked because required system resources are still in use and can't be freed).

    > That still doesn't negate the utility of being able to kill errant processes.

    Yes, I was talking about rebooting, not killing crashed tasks. Under MorphOS the utility of killing crashed tasks instead of rebooting is largely cosmetical (removal of windows belonging to crashed task) anyway. Best utility is when a crashed task consumes 100% CPU and TaskManager can merely be used to minimize the task priority. That's when being able to kill the task is of benefit (unless you want to restart the task where the resource tracking issue mentioned above kicks in, so reboot is required).
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
    Posts: 1103 from 2013/5/24
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    I'll donate to this, it's definitely needed.

    How long roughly would you need to to develop the first version?
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2666 from 2003/3/5
    From: Canada
    Quote:

    Intuition wrote:
    I'll donate to this, it's definitely needed.

    How long roughly would you need to to develop the first version?


    I should be able to deliver in around 2 months after 3.10 is released. Updates will follow even after the bounty has completed.

    You can donate at WArMUp
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
    Posts: 1103 from 2013/5/24
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    Papiosaur wrote:
    I have open a new bounty dedicated to Scout NG on http://www.warmup-asso.org/. Just specify "Scout NG" in comments of your donation. Thanks jacadcaps to propose new projects for MorphOS.


    The donate button doesn't appear on Firefox for Android.

    [ Edited by Intuition 13.01.2017 - 14:50 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
    Posts: 1103 from 2013/5/24
    From: Nederland
    Quote:

    jacadcaps wrote:
    Quote:

    Intuition wrote:
    I'll donate to this, it's definitely needed.

    How long roughly would you need to to develop the first version?


    I should be able to deliver in around 2 months after 3.10 is released. Updates will follow even after the bounty has completed.

    You can donate at WArMUp


    Sounds good. Hopefully 3.10 isn't too far off :)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
    Posts: 1103 from 2013/5/24
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    Quote:

    Papiosaur wrote:
    @Intuition: i have just installed last version of Firefox on my phone under Android and there is the Paypal button.


    It's there if I use Chrome or Opera but not Firefox.

    Probably uBlock Origin blocking it.

    I'll donate on Monday.
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2792 from 2006/3/21
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    Quote:

    Papiosaur wrote:
    Bounty finalized in six days ! Thanks a lot to all donors and jacadcaps to propose this new project for MorphOS.




    Is the donate button still active, so people (like me) can donate additional funds, and make jadacaps time paid at a higher rate per hour? I doubt that the amount he specified will pay him any where close to regular programmer rates that he should be making, if the work were being done for an employer, or he was doing work unrelated to a hobby of his choice.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Papiosaur
    Posts: 1592 from 2003/4/10
    From: France
    Hi amigadave,

    yes the paypal button still active all the year 2017 :-D

    You must just specify the name of your project in comment of your donation.

    If you want go up more than asked if possible of course.

    Indeed, my expression is not exact: "the bounty was reached" and not "the bounty is finalized"
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  • MorphOS Developer
    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2666 from 2003/3/5
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    Quick status update: no news for now. Super busy with an email client. I'll start doing some work on this project when 3.10 is out.
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11609 from 2003/5/22
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    > Super busy with an email client. I'll start doing some work on this project
    > when 3.10 is out.

    Does this mean the email client will make it into 3.10? :-)
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