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FireFox on MorphOS

pampers

# 1
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1061 from 2009/2/26

From: Tczew, Poland

Hi

What do you think about opening bounty for a FireFox port for MorphOS? Worth of trying?
MorphOS 3.x
»19.10.09 - 20:35

Andreas_Wolf

# 76
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> Firefox is [...] google-inspired [...] these days.

http://www.cnet.com/news/in-major-shift-firefox-to-use-yahoo-search-by-default-in-us/ :-)
»25.09.15 - 10:00

naTmeg

# 77
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 135 from 2004/2/8

@Andreas_Wolf:

I mean the new, not detachable GUI and these ugly context-menus they stole from Chrome.
I seems they are thinking: "Chrome does it, we need that too. (so maybe some users come back)".

More useless features with every version, instead of fixing what would be important, like 64bit or faster JS.
Anyway, i'm not using it anymore...
»25.09.15 - 10:38

Jim

# 78
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28

From: Delaware, USA

Quote:

takemehomegrandma wrote:
Quote:

Jim wrote:
And guys, Fab was pretty specific as to why further webkit based browser updates aren't going to happen on our platform

Was he really that terminal about it?

Quote:

this includes Firefox, deal with it.

Isn't Firefox based on Gecko...?

Uh, yes, Gecko.
My bad.

And the comment about webkit:

"...the real issue preventing a new release is that there is a blocking endian issue in JavascriptCore: it just doesn't work at all on bigendian/32bits architectures (all of them), and they just don't care at all..."

Seems pretty problematic.
"Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
»25.09.15 - 15:54

Cego

# 79
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 733 from 2006/5/28

From: Germany

so do i have to dump morphos now? YouTube is broken and i dont want to boot into os x just for that. is there any alternative like a url capture -> mplayer solution?
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»01.10.15 - 20:48

Amigaharry2

# 80
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1280 from 2010/1/6

From: EU-Austria (Wien)

Quote:

Cego schrieb:
so do i have to dump morphos now? YouTube is broken and i dont want to boot into os x just for that. is there any alternative like a url capture -> mplayer solution?

To use Mplayer: http://www.pegasosforum.de/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5086

Btw: OWB actually plays Youtube without (neary) any problem.....
(fullscreen and save wont work)

[ Editiert durch Amigaharry2 01.10.2015 - 22:09 ]
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»01.10.15 - 21:04

Cego

# 81
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 733 from 2006/5/28

From: Germany

Quote:

Amigaharry2 wrote:

Btw: OWB actually plays Youtube without (neary) any problem.....
(fullscreen and save wont work)

[ Editiert durch Amigaharry2 01.10.2015 - 22:09 ]

here the player will load, but the videos wont start. it just stays black (80% of the videos i tried to watch).

But thanks, i'll try the mplayer thing
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»01.10.15 - 21:12

Cego

# 82
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 733 from 2006/5/28

From: Germany

how do i install this yt_12 thing?
Pegasos II G4 @1.0GHz, 1GB DDR Ram, Radeon 9200Pro, 240GB SSD+160GB HD, MorphOS 3.18, AmigaOS4.1 FE, Debian 8
»01.10.15 - 21:22

Fab

# 83
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 1331 from 2003/6/16

Quote:

Cego wrote:
so do i have to dump morphos now? YouTube is broken and i dont want to boot into os x just for that. is there any alternative like a url capture -> mplayer solution?

But Youtube still works fine. I also updated the fullscreen userscript in august, and it still works fine.
The other youtube script that allowed to show direct link would need fixing other the other hand, but it's not that necessary. There are other scripts for that (like EzDownload) and you can also retrieve the video url from network and messages window, anyway.
»04.10.15 - 14:41

pampers

# 84
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1061 from 2009/2/26

From: Tczew, Poland

Just a quick (and probably dump) question. If MorphOS NG ever happen would it be easier to port something like FireFox or Chrome over?
MorphOS 3.x
»04.10.15 - 18:03

Jim

# 85
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28

From: Delaware, USA

If we were going to use a Blink based browser like I believe Chrome is, why not Opera (I just like underdogs...and I'm a troublemaker ;)).
"Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
»04.10.15 - 19:29

Andreas_Wolf

# 86
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> If MorphOS NG ever happen would it be easier to port something like FireFox
> or Chrome over?

That's a given I think.
»04.10.15 - 20:08

Jim

# 87
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28

From: Delaware, USA

I have, historically, have used Firefox (obviously on non-MorphOS platforms).
But I'm glad you brought that up because I have shifted to using Chrome primarily, just recently.

It feels cleaner and its on all my Android devices.

Still, lets not make the developers heads explode.
"Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
»04.10.15 - 21:19

ernsteiswuerfel

# 88
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 556 from 2015/6/18

From: Funeralopolis

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf schrieb:
> If MorphOS NG ever happen would it be easier to port something like FireFox
> or Chrome over?

That's a given I think.

AFAIK I would doubt that. Only the PPC-endianness problems will go away. E.g. OWB could be updated to 1.25 like the AROS-version.
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»04.10.15 - 22:00

Andreas_Wolf

# 89
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> AFAIK I would doubt that. Only the PPC-endianness problems will go away.

Considering that the endianness problems are the current stumbling blocks, "only" is a severe understatement. Besides, the existing JavaScript JIT could be used directly instead of having a core OS developer waste time with creating a new one only to fail at endianness problems (or whatever) again.
»04.10.15 - 23:01

NewSense

# 90
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1513 from 2012/11/10

From: Manchester, UK/GB

Quote:

Fab wrote:
But Youtube still works fine. I also updated the fullscreen userscript in august, and it still works fine.
The other youtube script that allowed to show direct link would need fixing other the other hand, but it's not that necessary. There are other scripts for that (like EzDownload) and you can also retrieve the video url from network and messages window, anyway.

I know the FULLSCREEN script works OK, but will there be a fix for the other scripts, as I don't know a way to retrieve the video, to save the file, from the network or from any message window.

The only way I was able to save the video file from YouTube, AFAIK, was using the previously working OWB scripts, though any explanation as to how to do it another way would be really appreciated.
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»05.10.15 - 00:15

deka

# 91
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 136 from 2013/2/12

From: Hungary, Kecsk...

Quote:

NewSense wrote:
I know the FULLSCREEN script works OK, but will there be a fix for the other scripts, as I don't know a way to retrieve the video, to save the file, from the network or from any message window.

You can download videos using this page too: http://en.savefrom.net/
»05.10.15 - 07:32

connor

# 92
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 570 from 2007/7/29

@ Jim

> If we were going to use a Blink based browser like I believe Chrome is, why not Opera (I just like underdogs...and I'm a troublemaker ;)).

Because Opera is not open source. Pity.
»05.10.15 - 15:25

Andreas_Wolf

# 93
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

>> If we were going to use a Blink based browser like I believe Chrome is, why not Opera

> Because Opera is not open source.

Chrome is neither, but maybe he means Chromium :-)
»05.10.15 - 15:58

Jim

# 94
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28

From: Delaware, USA

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:...maybe he means Chromium

Not on a bet.
Ever tried the OS or its browser?

Hey, I have an idea, why not just stick with OWB?
Like I said before, I'm not even that fond of Firefox.

And what else would have the level of support Fan has provided. Seriously, I have had less issues with his one man show than the browsers I have used in rotation.

The latest Firefox update starts acting up, I move to Chrome, Chrome starts crashing regularly I try Opera (which is steadily improving).
Then I get back on a MemphIS system, using OWB, no problem.

So why keep discussing this topic?
Makes us sound like OS4 users.

[ Edited by Jim 05.10.2015 - 11:56 ]
"Never attribute to malice what can more readily explained by incompetence"
»05.10.15 - 16:46

In_Correct

# 95
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 245 from 2012/10/14

From: DFW, TX, USA

I want to discuss this topic. I don't think I have participated in this discussion. I like FireFox. It should be ported to MorphOS. Or, perhaps a FireFox-like browser. An Opera based browser would not be possible before because Opera was proprietary. (this has changed since 2012). Also, I request a Konqueror be ported to MorphOS.

However, none of this should happen soon. I will wait until all the other work has been completed. This includes OS improvements, and also more hardware and ISA supporting. It is much more important than the variety of Web Browsers.

And I do not think Odyssey is bloatware as Google Chrome is.
I Support Quark Microkernel.
»05.10.15 - 17:34

In_Correct

# 96
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 245 from 2012/10/14

From: DFW, TX, USA

Quote:

pampers wrote:
Hi

What do you think about opening bounty for a FireFox port for MorphOS? Worth of trying?

Yes. Open many bounties. Not just FireFox. But many other Bounties. Open as many bounties as possible. The Morph Team is overwhelmed.
I Support Quark Microkernel.
»05.10.15 - 17:35

takemehomegrandma

# 97
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 2720 from 2003/2/24

Quote:

In_Correct wrote:

And I do not think Odyssey is bloatware as Google Chrome is.

I do understand the privacy and personal integrety issues people have with Chrome.

But *bloated*? That was a first...
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»05.10.15 - 18:33

Andreas_Wolf

# 98
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

>> ...maybe he means Chromium :-)

> Not on a bet. Ever tried the OS or its browser?

I tried the Chromium browser on MacOSX/x64 and it is like Chrome without the Google spyware. So a Blink-based browser for MorphOS would surely have to be open-source Chromium rather than closed-source Chrome or Opera.

> Then I get back on a MemphIS system, using OWB

;-)

> So why keep discussing this topic?

Ask that to the author of comment #85 who started the Blink sub-topic ;-)

> Makes us sound like OS4 users.

I can imagine worse insults ;-)
»05.10.15 - 20:06

Andreas_Wolf

# 99
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12150 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> An Opera based browser would not be possible before because Opera was proprietary.
> (this has changed since 2012).

No, it has not changed. Opera has remained proprietary to this day. Only its rendering engine was changed from proprietary Presto to open-source Blink in 2013.
»05.10.15 - 20:52

deka

# 100
Acolyte of the Butterfly

Posts: 136 from 2013/2/12

From: Hungary, Kecsk...

Quote:

In_Correct wrote:
... I like FireFox. It should be ported to MorphOS...

That is ok... but what is your problem exactly with OWB?
What andvantages do you expect from a ported Firefox?
»06.10.15 - 07:28