JIT JS Bounty - update
  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    pampers
    Posts: 1061 from 2009/2/26
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    koszer wrote:
    As far as I'm concerned, Bigfoot earned my share well, by his hard work. My humble donation may go straight to him, unless it's simplier for you to do a refund.

    P.S. It's really sad that this good initiative ends up like that. (post)Amiga world... always melodaramatic... :(


    Well you can send him money straight away after (and if) I will do the refunds. I don't get what dramatic is in here. But it's simple to say so when you don't have to hold the money which doesn't belong to you.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    koszer
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    pampers wrote:
    Well you can send him money straight away after (and if) I will do the refunds. I don't get what dramatic is in here. But it's simple to say so when you don't have to hold the money which doesn't belong to you.


    I didn't mean you when I wrote "melodramatic". I was referring to whole this situation and us debating endlessly like it was worth it in the first place.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
    Posts: 1110 from 2013/5/24
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    Quote:

    Jim wrote:
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    pampers wrote:
    This is going to far. I'm off for short hols and when I get back I will sort this out. I will contact bigfoot is he able to deliver within let's say a month and if not I will try to reach every donor (mission impossible but will try) and refund them. Then they can do with their money whatever they want.


    Sound reasonable, Wiktor.
    Sorry for all the complications resulting from you trying to do a good deed.

    Your resolution seems like the only realistic course.
    You haven't stated what you intend to do with the funds that remain should you not be able to contact everyone, but unlike some postings here I'd never insinuate that you'd do anything untoward with it.

    I have a good idea of who I can trust, and after dealing with you for a few years, I trust you and your judgement completely.

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    koszer wrote:
    As far as I'm concerned, Bigfoot earned my share well, by his hard work. My humble donation may go straight to him, unless it's simplier for you to do a refund.

    P.S. It's really sad that this good initiative ends up like that. (post)Amiga world... always melodaramatic... :(


    Melodramatic...yep, that about sums it up.
    For once I'm not even addressing Andreas' response, the insinuation that he made that my comment was directed at anyone other than him and Nicholas is beneath him.

    Honestly, is anyone here foolish enough to think that a simple bounty project for a hobbyist project would result in complications with the legal system?
    We have more lawyers per capita in the United States than any other country in the world, and we have a very litigious society, and still..something like this would leave those in our legal system shaking their heads or outright laughing.

    The only real lesson here appears to be to leave bounty programs to people or organizations with experience (like Papi) and a clearly stated policy.


    Putting the transfer of the funds to Mark without completion of the work to one side for a moment.

    Transferring the Personal Data (Email address, name) of the people who funded the bounty could quite possibly be illegal under GDPR without the explicit consent of each person in question. At the very least it's a grey area.

    You want to open Wiktor up to possible trouble just because "America, rah!"?
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    > Transferring the Personal Data (Email address, name) of the people who
    > funded the bounty could quite possibly be illegal under GDPR without the
    > explicit consent of each person in question. At the very least it's a grey area.

    That‘s what I think as well, see my comment #45 and the solution suggested therein.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Intuition
    Posts: 1110 from 2013/5/24
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Transferring the Personal Data (Email address, name) of the people who
    > funded the bounty could quite possibly be illegal under GDPR without the
    > explicit consent of each person in question. At the very least it's a grey area.

    That‘s what I think as well, see my comment #45 and the solution suggested therein.


    Ah sorry, I didn't notice your comment Andreas.

    With Wiktor being an individual rather than an organisation it may be ok, but with money being transferred and collected for a particular purpose and work being commissioned this muddy the waters somewhat and it could be considered a commercial contract.

    edit: Would be more straightforward for everyone concerned if each person was refunded and then Papi started another bounty with the same goal and solicited new donations.

    [ Edited by Intuition 29.04.2018 - 14:14 ]
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    Quote:

    Intuition wrote:
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Transferring the Personal Data (Email address, name) of the people who
    > funded the bounty could quite possibly be illegal under GDPR without the
    > explicit consent of each person in question. At the very least it's a grey area.

    That‘s what I think as well, see my comment #45 and the solution suggested therein.


    Ah sorry, I didn't notice your comment Andreas.

    With Wiktor being an individual rather than an organisation it may be ok, but with money being transferred and collected for a particular purpose and work being commissioned this muddy the waters somewhat and it could be considered a commercial contract.

    edit: Would be more straightforward for everyone concerned if each person was refunded and then Papi started another bounty with the same goal and solicited new donations.


    Gee, the fact that Wiktor is just an individual has finally sunken in, and yet you are still fixated about what might be illegal. Now
    you're invoking the GDPR.

    Must make doing things like creating an office pool to buy a gift really complicated for people over there if a law intended for companies is applied to casual endeavors.

    I start the collection, turn it over someone else, and the police arrest me for providing a list of who donated. Horrifying. ;-)

    In any case, Wiktor has already resolved to try to handle the returns himself, and I'm sure he'll manage to figure out handle the remainder even if it means holding it indefinitely.

    Oh, and kudos to Andre for cleaning up the thread and putting it back on track.

    RAh America!

    [ Edited by Jim 30.04.2018 - 07:12 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Update guys, I just got email from Mark stating:

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    I'll look at it this week, and by the end of the week I'll let you know if I'm gonna complete it within your suggested timeframe or if you should give the money back.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    And another update from Mark:

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    Yeah, I'll finish this. I've now set up a relatively decent working environment and I managed to squash one of the big long-standing bugs today, making it one step closer to being usable.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1250 from 2004/2/8
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    pampers wrote:
    And another update from Mark:

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    Yeah, I'll finish this. I've now set up a relatively decent working environment and I managed to squash one of the big long-standing bugs today, making it one step closer to being usable.



    That would be incredible. The 2018 seems like a great year for MorphOS so far, and there are still over 6 months to go.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    Now this is exciting!
    This is just like television, only you can see much further.
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  • ASiegel
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    Yay!
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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  • Butterfly
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    waldiamiga
    Posts: 94 from 2007/7/25
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    Bigfoot rulez!
    Thanks Pampers.

    [ Edited by waldiamiga 22.05.2018 - 20:35 ]

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    Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28
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    waldiamiga wrote:
    Bigfoot rulez!
    Thanks Pampers.


    Stating the obvious, eh? If we get R600 AGP support for our G5 and this? Hey, the man needs some time for a vacation.
    BTW - How much was the bounty?

    [ Edited by Jim 22.05.2018 - 19:34 ]
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    > How much was the bounty?

    See comment #30 :-)
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    Hmm, I had to do a zolty to USD conversion and then compare that the to euro equivalent listed to wrap my head around that, but that isn't bad.

    Not a fortune, but still cool to see Mark get some compensation.
    He is a great guy, and he's made some magnificent contributions to the OS.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Posts: 1250 from 2004/2/8
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    Jim wrote:
    Hmm, I had to do a zolty to USD conversion


    Not that it really matters, but it's zloty (złoty, to be precise). Zolty (żółty) would mean "yellow", while "złoty" means "golden".
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    koszer wrote:
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    Jim wrote:
    Hmm, I had to do a zolty to USD conversion


    Not that it really matters, but it's zloty (złoty, to be precise). Zolty (żółty) would mean "yellow", while "złoty" means "golden".



    Sorry, Polish of all languages defeats me so often.
    I should have checked that, but even a translation program would have left me clueless.
    It gets worse if you try to use a Polish to English translator.
    Curiously enough, German and French are comparatively easy, its probably due more to crappy programming then anything else.

    Just out of curiosity, what are the roots of the language?
    Many credit English, French, and Spanish as having common roots as so called "romance" languages, but there is a strong German influence there that doesn't always get acknowledged.
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    > Many credit English [...] as having [...] roots as so called "romance" languages,
    > but there is a strong German influence there

    There's a strong German influence in the English language because English is a Germanic language, not a Romance language.
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > Many credit English [...] as having [...] roots as so called "romance" languages,
    > but there is a strong German influence there

    There's a strong German influence in the English language because English is a Germanic language, not a Romance language.


    Good point, English is sort of a "mutt", born in part from the Anglo Saxon period, but with influences from the later Anglo Norman period (which explains the French influence)
    So there are common points with the so called "Romance" languages (although some of these might reflect Germanic influences as well).
    For a country that prides itself on its independence, it seems to have been occupied a fair number of times (from the days of Roman occupation on).

    But that still doesn't tell me anything about the roots of the Polish language.
    And I actually was interested in that.
    Its one of the countries we didn't focus on in our educational system (actually, there were a lot of those).

    Edit - So...why ask for education from you guys when I can just Google it? Fascinating, quite along history, and a Slavic base for the language (which explain why it sounds like Russian to me).

    [ Edited by Jim 23.05.2018 - 19:00 ]
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    Posts: 510 from 2003/4/11
    Hi everyone,

    I just wanted to give an update on this project.

    When I started working on the OWB JIT project, the source code I had available was for OWB 1.23, so that was the version my work was based on. I've successfully implemented the JIT for OWB 1.23, and as far as I can tell, it works without any hiccups.

    Next step has been (and still is) making the JIT code work with OWB 1.24. Long story short, the Webkit version in OWB 1.24 requires more work to be done which wasn't necessary for OWB 1.23. I do now have a build of OWB 1.24 with JIT enabled, but there are still some sites that exhibit problems with this version. I however don't foresee these problems to take very long to fix. My hope is that some time next week, I can release a version of OWB 1.24 with JIT enabled for public testing.

    Please note, however, that this public test will only have the first level of JIT enabled. In my own tests, the first level of JIT is about 3 times as fast as the non-JIT version in a graphical Javascript test. The second level of JIT is still on my to-do list.
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