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You mean the iMX 515 based products? I guess the problem is, you actually would want one, pity it doesn't exist. This was an attempt at a consumer product, and yet they haven't been able to deliver.

Getting under freescale's wing looked very right when Genesi decided it. Then, building the Pegasos and actually selling them to freescale made that decision look bright. But then, the (unavoidable) Linux twist, and most of all, the delays in final chip productions, hurt the most.
Heck, they even had a very hard time to finally get working something as simple as the original Efika. Then, the 512x fiasco, the 8610 false start... Too many developments stalled halfway.
Genesi does all they can, but look at the smartbook and tablet boom at recent consumer electronics shows. And they still don't have final product.

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...and the funny thing is that, actually, Genesi was also moving to another architecture by someone else's decision too: They went to where freescale wenr.
Have you seen their, once PowerPC-themed, "powerdeveloper.com" site recently? Hell, we weirdo morphers have MORE activity than them, with our "dead" platform!

I tend to think that I owe Genesi something, because they were thete playing an important role in our Amigan/MorphOS history. But that's long gone. The MorphOS Team got independent from Genesi long ago, and they are not doing bad, considering the current global sittuation. In fact, what they do, they do it very well. MorphOS delivers.

> They went to where freescale wenr.

Just want to add that Freescale/Motorola has been doing i.MX for nearly 10 years now.

> Have you seen their, once PowerPC-themed, "powerdeveloper.com" site recently?
> Hell, we weirdo morphers have MORE activity than them, with our "dead" platform!

There's probably more activity on imxcommunity.org than on powerdeveloper.org today. But you should know that better I guess ;-)

@ jcmarcos

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With regard to modern ARM chips (Cortex A8 / A9 level) at frequencies near of exceeding 1 Ghz, barely anybody appears to have consumer-ready products. In fact, a number of high-profile products such as Lenovo's Skylight have been cancelled before they went into mass production. HP's Compaq Airlife 100 is only sold in Spain for the time being, and so on.

> With regard to modern ARM chips (Cortex A8 / A9 level) at frequencies near of
> exceeding 1 Ghz, barely anybody appears to have consumer-ready products.
> In fact, a number of high-profile products such as Lenovo's Skylight have been cancelled
> before they went into mass production. HP's Compaq Airlife 100 is only sold in Spain for
> the time being, and so on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartbook#Designs (Sharp NetWalker PC-Z1)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)#Devices_using_Snapdragon (various phones)

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And yet, many would agree that there's been a switch.

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Sadly, there's no wolves over there

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Then, all those prototypes, that I percieve as success stories, actually aren't. Interesting.

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Wow! In my own, crisis devastated country? Those HP guys must be crazy... It's true, our biggest cell phone operator, Movistar, seems to sell it. Fascinating!

@ A. Wolf

Please see the quote I included in my post. jcmarcos was specifically referring to smartbooks and tablets. I did not intent to make any statements regarding phones or similarily sized media players.

The Sharp PC-Z1, on the other hand, could indeed be included in my list. So could the iPad, which is admittedly very successful. That said, my point remains. There are close to no products out there.

Arm is the way to go while struggling to reach 1Ghz and low wattage PPC processors from Apllied Micro and PA Semi that clock between 1.5 and 1.8 Ghz passively cooled are a dead end?

That's strange. If IBM wanted to return to struggling with marketing PPC/Cell technology for PCs we'd have 3.2 Ghz or higher processors.

PPC doesn't look dead, it just looks like some of the players are jumping on to a well promoted (and overloaded) bandwagon.

[ Edited by Jim on 2010/6/23 13:36 ]

> yet, many would agree that there's been a switch.

Yes, looks likely in a way: e700 cancelled and e600 EOL'd, while i.MX performance is advancing into their own Power Architecture CPU's levels. But on the other hand, Freescale's Power Architecture department just got a massive performance boost again with the advent of the e5500 core.

> Sadly, there's no wolves over there

As a MorphOS user, my interest lies where MorphOS is. For now that's Power Architecture :-)

> Please see the quote I included in my post. jcmarcos was specifically
> referring to smartbooks and tablets.

Yes, with my reference to phones I lost context. My bad.

> my point remains. There are close to no products out there.

As the definition of "close to none" lacks any quantification I won't dispute that ;-)

> Arm is [...] struggling to reach 1Ghz

Btw, did you follow my hint to Freescale's i.MX roadmap over there? If I had glasses I would have attempted to clean them to be sure it's really written there ;-)

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> e700 cancelled [...]. But on the other hand, Freescale's Power Architecture department
> just got a massive performance boost again with the advent of the e5500 core.

It may actually be that the e5500/e500mc64 became what was announced as e700 six years ago, which would mean that the e700 was *not* cancelled (but rather put on ice for some time inbetween):

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&start=240


Edit: On the other hand:
https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&start=353

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf on 2010/7/8 15:05 ]

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> About one year ago Neko predicted that ARM/i.MX would
> replace Power Architecture in these automotive sub-domains.
> It didn't, and I predict that it won't.

Freescale's Global Automotive Segment Marketing Director says:

"Power Architecture technology is the platform used for Freescale's most advanced automotive devices, and it's carrying our product portfolio into the next decade. It is the technology of choice for many automotive OEMs and tier ones. [...] So, the next time you get in your car, there's a good chance that Power Architecture technology will get you to your destination."
http://blogs.freescale.com/2010/10/20/powering-todays-automobiles-into-the-future/

Seems that Freescale is following my prediction quite well ;-)

haven't heard anything from him lately either

> haven't heard anything from him lately either

He's more active at his usual places:

http://blog.efikamx.info
http://www.powerdeveloper.org/profile/8
http://imxcommunity.org/profile/MattSealey

I don't expect him to comment here on the discrepancy between his prediction and reality though ;-)

...which reminds me something I've been thinking lately: It's quite amazing that this very site, about an obscure operating system and old hardware, is more lively than those sites combined!

> http://anubis-os.org/home/ progress? anyone?

Restart:

http://www.anubis-os.org
http://code.google.com/p/anubis-os/
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=709182