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    amigadave
    Posts: 2792 from 2006/3/21
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    Has this "Linky" already been discussed here, and/or on Power Developer, with regard toward future hardware designs for MorphOS?

    Can anyone that knows more translate from the Techno-Speak on that linked site to layman beginning MorphOS user understandable language (preferably in English) and explain what, if anything this might mean for future PPC products and designs, which may, or may not include future designs that could be used for MorphOS4.x.

    Thanks,

    Edit: I meant to link to the MPC8572E chip video about content processing of datastreams without interruption during downloading of additional data. A Youtube video is on the page I linked to.

    [ Edited by amigadave on 2009/4/12 21:27 ]
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  • »13.04.09 - 05:23
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2708 from 2003/2/24
    1. I think it's a cool chip, but it's dual core which makes it less appealing in a MorphOS context (you pay 100% of the cost while MorphOS only can use 50% of the power). It's also e500 cores (what used to be "G3"), i.e. it has no Altivec. If you want e500 there are a few other SoC's in the PowerQuick line of products that would perhaps be more suitable in a MorphOS context. A more interesting chip however (in a desktop context) is the 8640(D) (preferably the single core version, i.e. the one without the "D" extension) or the 8610. They are also SoC's, but they are built on the e600 core (they have Altivec). The 8640 has better connectivity options and would fit nicely in a "Pegasos 3" desktop motherboard with PCI-Express graphics. The 8610 is possibly the best performing 32-bit PPC implementation that was built by Freescale, also it has a built in display controller that would make sense in a netbook or similar (but you could still build a motherboard with a PCI-Express graphics slot of course).

    2. But for any of these chips *truly* becoming interesting in a MorphOS context it would require that someone actually builds suitable motherboards using them. I don't see this happening. Genesi worked on both a 8641D and 8610 design, but has put those on the shelve in favor of their ARM effort around the i.MX515 SoC. Are there anyone else?

    3. In short term we have the Mac Mini version of MorphOS to look forward to. Maybe a powerbook release will follow? But then what? There is no interesting roadmap for the PPC platform anymore. What will follow the 8610, that will be more powerful and have even more features? The answer is probably "nothing". The e700 is nowhere to be seen (probably shelved), and since Apple went x86, Freescale's PPC strategy is all about network and automotive controllers. I think that MorphOS at some point down the road will have to jump to either ARM or x86. Or both.
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  • »13.04.09 - 08:06
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11575 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Has this "Linky" already been discussed [...] with regard toward
    > future hardware designs for MorphOS?

    No, and for a reason: The e500v2 core of the MPC8572E is not suited for MorphOS. More here.

    > Can anyone [...] explain what [...] this might mean for future PPC
    > products and designs, which may [...] include future designs that
    > could be used for MorphOS4.x.

    Nothing, I fear.
  • »14.04.09 - 20:13
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11575 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > it's dual core which makes it less appealing in a MorphOS context

    Its FPU implementation makes it even "more less" appealing in a MorphOS context.

    > e500 cores (what used to be "G3")

    No, e500 is neither derivative nor descendant of MPC7xx.

    > If you want e500 there are a few other SoC's in the PowerQuick line
    > of products that would perhaps be more suitable in a MorphOS context.

    Unfortunately, there is not one single e500 based PowerQUICC (III) SoC that is suitable in a MorphOS context (see above). The first e500 based SoC that would be suitable will be the upcoming QorIQ P4 sub-family with its e500mc core (and with P3 and P5 following).
    PowerQUICCs suitable for MorphOS are the 603e/G2_LE based PowerQUICC II and the newer e300 based PowerQUICC II Pro families.

    > The 8610 is possibly the best performing 32-bit PPC implementation
    > that was built by Freescale

    Nah, that would either be the 8641(D), which you mentioned, or the 7448, depending if memory speed or core speed is considered more important. And btw, *all* Freescale PPCs are 32 bit ;-)
  • »14.04.09 - 20:38
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11575 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > The first e500 based SoC that would be suitable will be the
    > upcoming QorIQ P4 sub-family with its e500mc core

    Today, Freescale announced the sampling of the QorIQ P4080.
  • »27.08.09 - 03:06
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2792 from 2006/3/21
    From: Northern Calif...
    Quote:


    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > The first e500 based SoC that would be suitable will be the
    > upcoming QorIQ P4 sub-family with its e500mc core

    Today, Freescale announced the sampling of the QorIQ P4080.


    Looks like you are quite knowledgeable regarding freescale's product line, or at least you come across that way. I guess I will count on you to let us know when something really interesting comes out that might make a good chip to base the next MorphOS computer on.

    I can't remember how I stumbled across that site and read about those chips, but most of it is over my head.
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  • »27.08.09 - 04:29
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11575 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > I can't remember how I stumbled across that site

    freescale.com -> "See all" [products] -> "Power Architecture"

    ...would lead to that specific page :-)
  • »27.08.09 - 06:24
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
    From: Pinto, Madrid ...
    Quote:

    amigadave wrote:
    Looks like you are quite knowledgeable regarding freescale's product line


    Andreas is much more than knowledgeable: He hunts for interesting news and remembers about a four months old thread that mentioned somethig about it. That's impressive. I've been into forums since many years, and never found such a person.

    In all, you can almost feel free to forget about anything, that Andreas will point you exactly to it afterwards. Of course, that's a bit too much, but it's my impression.

    I've asked Andreas severral times about his metodology, to be able to do these amazing things. It seems he remembers ewverything! I wonder if he has some kind of knowledge database or something.
  • »27.08.09 - 08:23
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11575 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Not having an amigaworld.net account I'll ask here.

    Zylesea claimed over there:

    "there are plans to move QorIQ to 64 bit."
    http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=31439&forum=33&start=60#555581

    Anybody know anything about this or can provide a reliable source?
  • »29.04.10 - 23:37
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
    From: Pinto, Madrid ...
    As you can also see, Andreas ignores me systemmaticaly. It's curious, I've asked him a couple of times, about how he organizes so much information.
    In another thread he gave some details, and made me think it's all in his head, which I find amazing, and would like to know more.
  • »30.04.10 - 07:39
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11575 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Andreas ignores me systemmaticaly. It's curious, I've asked him a couple of times,
    > about how he organizes so much information.

    While the thread topic is "Content Processing" it's not about me or any other forum member doing so, but about Power Architecture CPUs ;-)

    > he [...] made me think it's all in his head

    This, and an ability to make proper use of search engines.

    > I [...] would like to know more.

    There's nothing more to it.
  • »30.04.10 - 10:15
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
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    Thankyou Andreas! This confirms the guy is amazing. Now, back to "content processing", sorry for the off topic...
  • »30.04.10 - 13:31
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11575 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > Now, back to "content processing"

    ...and to my question regarding Zylesea's claim about plans to move QorIQ to 64 bit :-)
  • »01.05.10 - 13:37
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11575 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    Update:

    > The first e500 based SoC that would be suitable will be the upcoming
    > QorIQ P4 sub-family with its e500mc core (and with P3 and P5 following).

    Seems the first QorIQ P3 and P5 sub-families's members are going to be announced shortly.

    Nice table on page 38 (document dating August 2009(!)):
    http://www.ebv.com/fileadmin/products/Press_Print/Brochures/MIP/2009_08_11%20MIP%202_2009_lowres.pdf
    (including P3040, P3041, P3042, P3043 and P5020)

    QorIQ roadmap on page 36 (as of April 2010):
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www.freescale.com/files/training/doc/FREESCALE_COMPANY_OVERVIEW.pdf
    (and an interesting i.MX roadmap on page 26)


    Edit: P3041 and P5020/P5010 got quasi-announced.

    http://www.freescale.com/files/ftf_2010/Americas/WBNR_FTF10_NET_F0874.pdf
    http://www.freescale.com/files/ftf_2010/Americas/WBNR_FTF10_NET_F0712.pdf

    More information:
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3&start=217


    Edit: Changed FTF presentation URLs.
    Edit2: Changed link to Freescale company overview PDF to Google cache because document is no more.

    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf on 2010/7/18 19:33 ]
    [ Edited by Andreas_Wolf on 2011/1/3 22:08 ]
  • »21.06.10 - 23:12
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
    From: Pinto, Madrid ...
    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:

    P3041 and P5020/P5010 got quasi-announced.

    http://www.ftfpresentations.com/presentations/ftf10_net_f0874_pdf.pdf
    http://www.ftfpresentations.com/presentations/ftf10_net_f0712_pdf.pdf


    People, get a look at these new CPUs. Not primarily aimed at desktop computing, but very serious looking!

    I bet an evaluation board costs a fortune... A constant mistake from freescale.
  • »22.06.10 - 10:11
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11575 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > P3041 and P5020/P5010 got quasi-announced.

    The press releases have been put online:
    http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1440425
    http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1440426

    Product pages:
    http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=P5020
    http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=P3041

    e5500 core (formerly called "e500mc64") introduction:
    http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/homepage.jsp?code=64BIT

    Product PDF files:
    http://www.freescale.com/files/64bit/doc/white_paper/64BTTCHNLGYWP.pdf
    http://www.freescale.com/files/64bit/doc/fact_sheet/QP5020FS.pdf
    http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/fact_sheet/QP3041FS.pdf

    Announcement video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9jdnHigC5U
  • »22.06.10 - 12:25
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
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    Andreas, all this informations you are gathering deserve its own thread.
  • »22.06.10 - 13:36
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 11575 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > all this informations you are gathering deserve its own thread.

    Then feel free to start one. You may reference my postings in your new thread :-)
  • »22.06.10 - 14:04
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jcmarcos
    Posts: 1178 from 2003/3/13
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    Quote:

    Andreas_Wolf wrote:

    feel free to start one.


    Andreas, the man with the most information, that never starts threads!
  • »22.06.10 - 15:22
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