ok here we go.......SUN microsystems wants to enter the embeded market......they are also releasing solaris as open source.....they did have plans or a desire to make a PPC port....(this is where the peg comes in)........PPC processors use much less power and suns SPARC and AMD's Opteron.......the embeded market would be a bad move on either of those chicps......so if SUN and Genesi teamed up this would be huge..........

poundsmack ...i think you talk without to know.
I work with Sun Solaris several years now, and I have one thing to say ... Solaris on SPARC or i386 or what ever, is slow like hell !!!

The whole OS is java-based... people who work with this daily know what I'm talking.

Solaris will never be a good Embeded or Desktop solution.

QNX is the answer for embeded systems.



[ Edited by liquidbit on 2004/11/25 10:48 ]

Actually SPARC is pretty much on-par with the PowerPC in terms of speed and power consumption.

The only thing making it a bad choice for embedded systems is it's relatively low volume production and it's appearance only in Sun products. PowerPC is everywhere already.

Neko

[ Edited by Neko on 2004/11/25 12:09 ]

It would be a good thing to get them on the team. I think he does know what he is talking about. If Sun wants to get into the market it doesnt mean the current version of Solaris would be used, and as a Java bases OS it would be a simple task to port it over if thats what they decide to do. They can strip it down and use only the core parts needed for such a market just as M$ has done with the mobile version of Windows.

Genesi is beyond saving I read this on morphos-news.de

18/19 OS4emu: AmigaOS4 emulation for MorphOS
bbrv (25-Nov-2004, 18:21:26) - [ Answer | Singleview ]

Actually, we are closing Genesi Sarl, but that will happen at the end of the year. We will just operate through Frankfurt and the USA. No more trolling please.

R&B


What does this mean for those having contracts with Genesi Sarl?

It means nothing -- any contracts are valid (but, frankly there are not many).

Genesi is not closing. Just the original structure is being changed because it did not work as devised by PWC.

R&B

sun is making a stripped down version of solaris for the embeded market....there is a post on os news about it as one reference link
anyways i do know what i am talking about i am jsut not quoting sources for my information, and if u have plaed with solaris 10 it is fast as hell especial compared to solaris 9 and 8.......darn after 20 minuites of looking i cant find the solaris on ppc article i want to quote if i find it iw ill post it.....there is no plans for it now but there was some planning as a nice stratigy possibility......i think there is hope for having the pegasos be the official board if they persue it........since apple sure as hell wont let them (which is a shame as i would like to run solaris 10 on a new iMac)
and yes QNX is wayyyyyy better for embeded....but if sun wanteds to go into that market anyways it would be nice to use us

[ Edited by poundsmack on 2004/11/25 13:25 ]

Save Genesi, buy a 50USD coupon!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

Just to chip in...

Solaris is not Java based. Not even a little bit. Like practically all other UNIX OS' the majority is written in C. There are some admin tools written in Java, but not Solaris itself.

A while ago Sun publicly voiced an idea to port to PowerPC, but it not appear to come to anything. I think it would be fair to say that the Pegasos would not be a target platform anyway, but if it goes open source, that may not matter so much.

sun will not endorse or support any other platoforms officialy (as of what they say now) if solaris is ported....and your right solaris is not made with java....it originaly was a fork of freebsd as i recall

i am sorry to bring this back up, but i am corious as to what Genesi thinks. I think the answer is not interested, but i am still corious.

The main focus of Solaris in terms of the architecture it runs on will continue to be primarily SPARC, accompanied by 32bit and 64bit x86. We don't think they are interested in PowerPC. Sun is competitive with IBM's Power5 offering. IBM is running RedHat. In a number of interviews, Johnathan Schwartz has made it clear that he sees RedHat as a competitor.

Our approach in this market is a low foot print, low power 32bit solution linked to Debian or Gentoo. Sun is pushing a complete package -- proprietary hardware and software. IBM is too and in this case RedHat might as well be considered proprietary. Our opportunity is to push into this space with a true and complete GNU/Linux solution as a foundation. This will take time, but we are working our way up not down the food chain -- from the low end up. We have started doing that now with the Pegasos Server with MySQL. In the meanwhile, we are working on a blade server to attack this market space more aggressively in a more scalable form factor.

The PowerPC based ODW offers an anchor for the whole infrastructure that has some value, but really is just a piece of the total package. The objective is to optimize performance and price to levels lower than our current prices and offer a solution to collapse the IT infrastructure into one family of scalable/upgradable hardware and an open source OS and application base. We think there will be alot of interest in this concept, especially outside of the US.

R&B

that sounds like a great stratigy! i hope it all works out

I agree.

I would also say that MorphOS could still have a commercial role: reduce it to a very light weigt and modular operating system and offer it as a generic multimedia os to other companies that will customize it to realize the product they want.
From digital tv to gaming console.

Add to this a new mini-itx Pegasos board with hardware mpeg decompression, decent audio/video and a low cost processor (G3 would be fine I think) and you have an incredibly flexible and small multimedia platform.

Then, if it hits the market, people will start to get used to MorphOS (at least its name) and that will be the right time to present a TRULY new version of MorphOS...

Well, I suppose the cost of all the thing would be too high, though... It will remain a dream...
The real MorphOS market is the Geek's market!
However, that's why yoy should consider the mini-itx Pegasos... Have you seen what people do with those small mobos at mini-itx.com?
They're UNBELIEVABLE

Mini-itx is to big!
PC104 I say:
PC-104+
That is small enough for anything maybe except the pda(you could make a pda of a pc104 board but it might be a little bulky)
Industrial, STB, thin client, laptop, pentablet, pda, pocketvideoplayer and wearable all from the same board, wouldn´t that be favorable when it comes to massproduction?
Do them in (tens of ) thousands in each batch, then there would be a linux market...
And of course a market as mediaplayer. the problems is how to raise funds, but pocketmediaplayers seems to be hot stuff...

First hello everyone, this is my first post here. I don't own a Pegasos computer but as an old Amiga user I check community sites from time to time.

This goes to Genesi. I remeber a slogan in your site stating "Genesi riding the open source wave". Now, with the late news about MorphOS and money shortcomings, it sounds more topical than ever.

How about using AROS components in MorphOS? Or even making the whole MorphOS Open Sourced?

This would benefit both AROS and MorphOS I think...

Dante, nice to have you here.

The idea was to ride the open source wave on the Pegasos surf board while carrying MorphOS to the beach and dry land...

R&B

...and then a shark came...

The president of Sun did mention porting Solaris (also sometimes known as slowaris...) to POWER a while back don't know if anything became of it.

The UltraSPARC line of CPUs is essentially dead, The Ultra4 does pretty appallingly on server benchmarks and the Ultra5 was canned with Sun taking to using the Opteron instead. They also plan to use Fujitsu's SPARC CPUs which are much faster.

What is interesting is the Rock and Niagra chips currently in develoment, 8 cores at 4 threads each but we'll need completely new bechmarks to test their performance as the current ones simply wont show what they can do. That said these are for "big tin" servers.

It's an interesting idea but I highly doubt they'll port Solaris to 32bit PowerPC.

UltraSPARC is defenently not dead yet......the UltraSPARC IV+ will be out in a little while and it is going to be a big! improvment over its predisesors....though it will be the last in the U;tra line of chips as far as i know....and yes Fujitsu's processors currently are better so i am excited about that development.

....save genesi.....etc...
I've already given my 2 cents on their Wineguard proposal/idea/thingymajig


PS: but forgot to add the bit about the annoyances of a ~7sec. propagation delay

[ Edited by DethKnight on 2004/11/26 21:41 ]

When Genesi enters bladeserver or embedded market they need altivec.
Why not release it now?
I mean not a big MOS update only the altivec-support, it would inspire some hope in the users and prospective buyers. And RC5-72 cracking would speed up

Dan:
Do you honestly think Genesi considers running MOS on the blades?

Well of course not on the blades :duh:

Genesi's strategy is to offer a low-foot-print, low-power 32bit PowerPC solution with a strong link to non-commercial GNU/Linux distributions as a foundation. Genesi is working its way up not down the food chain -- from the low end up. The ODW is positioned as a host/target PowerPC development machine that can also serve as a thin client (board and memory), workstation, netcom device, file server or cluster. The ambition is to start development now while next the next generation Pegasos is tuned to the market.

Pegasos Evolution

Again, for example, Genesi have started doing this with the Pegasos Server with MySQL.

In the meanwhile, the blade Pegasos to attack this market space more aggressively in a more scalable form factor has been prototyped using the 7447A.

Further, a netcom device accentuating PowerPC virtues using an ODW is under development today. The fully-featured altivec enhanced firewall with VPN, anti-spam and anti-virus features will be offered in Q1 2005.

The idea is that there should be a *coalition* (implying membership or something) of developers/companies that can all contribute and benefit to/from the development and sale of this appliance. The focus needs to be the complete solution or "appliance" composed of both hardware and software. We could do this through/with the various GNU/Linux Communities BTW. Some of the components involved could be distributed as LGPL or GPL. This does not imply that the complete solution is licensed in this way. We have discussed using a dual license so that parts of the software will be available for non-commercial use or for use within a resource pool to be shared by coalition (membership for commercial use) or in this case GNU/Linux community members for non-commercial use.

The PowerPC based ODW offers an anchor for the whole enterprise infrastructure. The objective is to optimize performance and price to levels lower than the current prices and offer a solution to collapse the IT infrastructure into one family of scalable/upgradable hardware and an open source OS and application base. We think there will be alot of interest in this concept, especially for National IT infrastructures where a progressively developing software resource based on GNU/Linux can significantly reduce TCO.

In the meanwhile, we are still taking MorphOS along for the ride. As the market grows, so will MorphOS support. Things are moving in a great way.

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It went live Wednesday at the end of the day. Thursday morning we had the first order from South Korea. Happy Thanksgiving!

R&B