AmiWest 2017 Demo
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    number6 wrote:
    @thread

    2 things spring to mind concerning issues that, if solved, would open up new possibilities.

    (1)The hotel wifi has been problematic, which has made for difficult attempts at presentations/assistance from anywhere off the show floor. AmiWest did try skype once, and I believe it ended up more annoying than informative from a viewer's perspective.

    (2)Ironing out technical issues ahead of time. I was informed that setup is done the day of the show. This seems unacceptable given the delays from mere setup itself, the emergency runs to get supplies, the delays caused by technical issues only discovered at the last minute or during the show, lack of time to test presentations, etc.

    (3)In addition, it is my understanding that the show requires a takedown and re-setup between Saturday and Sunday, due to lack of adequate security. Is this true?
    If so, then all issues are having to be addressed twice, which is simply making the work harder.

    Does SACC agree? If so, can these issues be addressed?

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    @ number6
    thanks for the thoughtful ideas:

    Yes the worst issue is the hotel internet. I don't know how to fix this.

    Sorry, the SACC budget can't afford an outside internet vendor at this time.

    Yes, we can and do setup on Friday night. I am usually doing Classic Clinic myself.
    This year we tried to test the month before and the week before. But the rooms were rented out and we could NOT get in to do much.
    The hotel staff is quite helpful, but won't let us into the server room to make meaningful changes.

    Paul and Bill drive three to six hours to setup on Friday. But break down is not done.
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    I'm critising Amiwest instead. If Trevor spoke too long, then he should have been cut. If OS4 crashed too often, it should have been cut. They got their time slots and it was their fault they overran them, whether sponsors or not. It really hasn't been the first time where it's MorphOS or AROS who end up squeezed between the "main acts".


    @KennyR

    Why? We are like a family dinner. Each one pitches in and Folks just talk, we enjoy.
    It's not a formal thing. It's a user group thing!!!

    that said.. of course, sponsors "earn" their spots (as it should be)

    We could not have an AmiWest without the genrosity of sponsors (you understand this?)

    BTW, Paul was asked about a presentation (see thread talking about who's going morph at amiwest) . If he wanted to do his thing at a certain time or wanted more time, we would have just let him. Ask AmigaDave, we gave him all the time he wanted too.

    Kenny, if you invested as much (you do know it's takes more) in presenting morphos as much as other users/venders do to present their stuff..


    MorphOS would have a great response in Sacramento.
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    amigadave wrote:Without better Internet connectivity, a remote presentation by one or more of the MorphOS Dev. Team members would probably be a waste of their time, and just an exercise in futility. If any of the Dev. Team members, or just a single user, or group of users, wish to prepare a prerecorded video presentation for the 2019 AmiWest Show, I would be happy to make sure it is scheduled, and any needed equipment to display it will be available.


    ok. I'm convinced by all I've heard here and additionally in irc etc. over the years that it's more of a problem even trying to come up with a solution to the hotel internet issue.


    Oddly when I asked for a viable alternative in irc, I got the same response...recorded presentation.
    I think that is something worth looking at. As the only thing lost is the interactivity between presentation and show goers/internet viewers, you could discuss different ways to supplement this.

    Utube chat
    Acill/AmigaDave on the show floor
    irc channel

    For the above, what I'm getting at is still having an avenue for q/a based on the presentation.
    Perhaps even the person doing the recording of the presentation could be available through irc for q/a?

    Or would doing any of the above also be a complication that I'm not aware of?

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    number6 wrote:
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    amigadave wrote:Without better Internet connectivity, a remote presentation by one or more of the MorphOS Dev. Team members would probably be a waste of their time, and just an exercise in futility. If any of the Dev. Team members, or just a single user, or group of users, wish to prepare a prerecorded video presentation for the 2019 AmiWest Show, I would be happy to make sure it is scheduled, and any needed equipment to display it will be available.


    ok. I'm convinced by all I've heard here and additionally in irc etc. over the years that it's more of a problem even trying to come up with a solution to the hotel internet issue.


    Oddly when I asked for a viable alternative in irc, I got the same response...recorded presentation.
    I think that is something worth looking at. As the only thing lost is the interactivity between presentation and show goers/internet viewers, you could discuss different ways to supplement this.

    Utube chat
    Acill/AmigaDave on the show floor
    irc channel

    For the above, what I'm getting at is still having an avenue for q/a based on the presentation.
    Perhaps even the person doing the recording of the presentation could be available through irc for q/a?

    Or would doing any of the above also be a complication that I'm not aware of?

    #6


    (sigh)
    we did (rather Bill and Robert) all those things in the past two years
    (sigh)
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    sacc-user wrote:
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    number6 wrote:
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    amigadave wrote:Without better Internet connectivity, a remote presentation by one or more of the MorphOS Dev. Team members would probably be a waste of their time, and just an exercise in futility. If any of the Dev. Team members, or just a single user, or group of users, wish to prepare a prerecorded video presentation for the 2019 AmiWest Show, I would be happy to make sure it is scheduled, and any needed equipment to display it will be available.


    ok. I'm convinced by all I've heard here and additionally in irc etc. over the years that it's more of a problem even trying to come up with a solution to the hotel internet issue.


    Oddly when I asked for a viable alternative in irc, I got the same response...recorded presentation.
    I think that is something worth looking at. As the only thing lost is the interactivity between presentation and show goers/internet viewers, you could discuss different ways to supplement this.

    Utube chat
    Acill/AmigaDave on the show floor
    irc channel

    For the above, what I'm getting at is still having an avenue for q/a based on the presentation.
    Perhaps even the person doing the recording of the presentation could be available through irc for q/a?

    Or would doing any of the above also be a complication that I'm not aware of?

    #6


    (sigh)
    we did (rather Bill and Robert) all those things in the past two years
    (sigh)



    Yes I know. But my post is specifically about addressing a MorphOS demo from someone overseas.
    It's not related to any other presentation we're discussing in this thread.

    Sorry if that was not clear.

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    Still wonder what's the issue with an el cheapo pre paid mobile card to provide some video/skype session. I mean is the US infrastructure even worse on mobile networks than it is in Germany (which is really not very advanced in broadband/high speed mobile networks compared to many Asian or other European countries, but getting a mobile to fluently do a video chat is not that difficult even in underdeveloped Germany...)?
    And if the hotel does not provide the required infrastructure - change the hotel. I mean this is a computer party - a powerful net access is quite a prerequisite IMHO.
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    Zylesea wrote:
    Still wonder what's the issue with an el cheapo pre paid mobile card to provide some video/skype session. I mean is the US infrastructure even worse on mobile networks than it is in Germany (which is really not very advanced in broadband/high speed mobile networks compared to many Asian or other European countries, but getting a mobile to fluently do a video chat is not that difficult even in underdeveloped Germany...)?
    And if the hotel does not provide the required infrastructure - change the hotel. I mean this is a computer party - a powerful net access is quite a prerequisite IMHO.


    ok. You're talking about finding a solution that would allow someone from MorphOS team to do this.
    The idea of a recorded demo also speaks to a MorphOS team member doing this in the event there is no solution to the connectivity issue.

    But...

    Both idea point to MorphOS team member doing this, right?
    Until a decision is made to either:
    (1)go on as always with a user presentation or
    (2)make the presentation more official through having a MorphOS team member agree to take this on...

    the discussion ends as it always does each year with no decision.
    No offense. Just an observation from reading a few years here.

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    Zylesea wrote:
    Still wonder what's the issue with an el cheapo pre paid mobile card to provide some video/skype session.


    Because the moment you start talking about the kind of data allowance you'd need for streaming, mobile internet quickly becomes non-cheapo.
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    KennyR wrote:

    Because the moment you start talking about the kind of data allowance you'd need for streaming, mobile internet quickly becomes non-cheapo.

    The term 'cheap' is relative, of course, but 10GB for 45 USD (prepaid, no contract) is not that terrible. You can chat for quite a long time with 10GB of data unless you insist on streaming 4K video.

    That being said, there appears to have been a live video stream from the show. I am not saying the internet at the hotel could not be improved but it seemed to be good enough to have a one-way live video feed at least.
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    ASiegel wrote:

    In the past, the MorphOS development team provided access to unreleased software so it could be exhibited at AmiWest. I also personally assisted David to get the embroidered shirts done for the show and helped with various other promotional materials. Moreover, we had numerous community members share recommendations on what software should be presented when they were asked on MorphZone.

    From my perspective, it has been a mutually supportive relationship.

    For what is worth, I can confirm that I always got some kind of support from the team and from André specifically whenever in the past I partecipated to Italian shows and presented MorphOS. Andrè always sent promotional and graphic material when contacted, and usually asking on the #morphos IRC channel on Freenode resulted in some unreleased betas of software (sometimes simple new tools, in other occasions something tastier, like a first beta of Sputnik - those were the times!) and support. About the information that is given by a user resulting not 100% factual, probably in these situations it is better to be honest and not give answers ("Honestly I don't remember", "cannot speak for the team about this") than to try to recollect from memories. But of course this is less important, I think that any effort from a user is appreciated, also from a felow user point of view.

    Kind regards,
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    > I guarantee if Andreas himself was ever in the situation
    > where he had to give a presentation on no notice and told
    > to hurry it along, he's almost certainly stutter and repeat
    > himself over and over and say the occasional stupid thing.

    Indeed, if I attempted to give a presentation on a subject I have no firm knowledge of and tried to answer questions I only have a vague idea what the correct answer might be, it would probably end way worse to the point of a totally miserable fail. That's why I'd never ever give a presentation in such case. I know what I know and what I don't :-)
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    > probably in these situations it is better to be honest and not
    > give answers ("Honestly I don't remember", "cannot speak for
    > the team about this") than to try to recollect from memories.

    This. Referring the audience to the official MorphOS website for any information one isn't absolutely sure of and which is to be found there is the best solution (or workaround) I can think of.
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    > I dont know many that use an X5000 as their main machine
    > now for MorphOS other than me.

    Yes, it seems to be very few. And it's one user of MorphOS on the X5000 less now because he switched back to a PCIe graphics card 3D-supported by OS4 so cannot run MorphOS on his X5000 anymore. He says he tried with a PCI Radeon 9200 but to no avail. As you said you got this configuration to work, you may be able and willing to help him there so that he can return to using MorphOS next to OS4 and write more nice articles on MorphOS :-)

    link to thread
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