Hints and rumoured sightings of the very shy 3.10
  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    stephen_robinson
    Posts: 745 from 2007/4/22
    Are we there yet?
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2792 from 2006/3/21
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
    Well, with a waiting time of 566 days since the 3.9 release, we have passed the 554 days it took for the (huge) 2.7 -> 3.0 release to get here, and we are currently travelling slowly towards the 1157 days it took for the (monumental) 1.4.5 -> 2.0 release, which is currently the only remaining unmatched waiting time, the all-time high!

    So yes, I expect the next release to be somewhere between huge and monumental... ;-)


    Given that none of us has been charged for any revisions since 2.0 was released, is there any good reason why the Dev. Team needs to wait so long between releases of revisions? Couldn't they just release each individual component as it is finished and beta testing completed on that item?

    That would mean pushing out dozens of smaller releases over a similar time frame, and perhaps require a different method of providing the releases, or different thinking on how the releases are to be done.

    IMO, if it is not too much additional work for the Dev. Team to release individual components, it would make the users much happier to have upgrades earlier, instead of waiting almost 2 years between major revisions. Charging money for revisions seems to me to be the main, or only reason for holding back the release of certain components, until other components are completed, so a larger package can be released at one time, but the Dev. Team doesn't charge anything for any of the revisions, so why hold back the release of some components, until others are done?

    If however it creates too much additional work for the Dev. Team to release individual components, then I am okay with how things are right now.
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2649 from 2003/3/5
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    We don't generally release individual components because there's usually cross dependencies between projects. And they tend to mount the longer the break between releases is.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    NewSense
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    Can the break be likely to get any longer than 2 years between releases? How much mounting up is going on?

    As I believe the 2 year wait date, and counting, for v3.10 is imminent - as I believe it was mid June 2015 when 3.9 was released. :-(

    I also wondered if the 3.10 release will support ISO-13346 UDF DVD filesystem as some data discs sold for PC software, which we may need to be able to access to extract the data documents, and files from for future supported games seems currently to be basically inaccessible with MorphOS as it currently is setup. It would also be good to be able to access HFS Mac CD/DVD discs via MorphOS - for the same reasons.

    [ Edited by NewSense 01.06.2017 - 04:38 ]
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    connor
    Posts: 545 from 2007/7/29
    It is a pity to have to wait fort hat long but we won’t speed it up by repeating this phrase. So we better let the team do their work.
    I do not think it makes a lot of sense to write support for these disc formats. How many games (which exist for MorphOS or will most probably be ported) use UDF DVD or HFS CD/DVD? Are there any at all? And how many can you *really* expect to be available within 2-3 years? Reading these discs will help you exactly once: to copy the files to harddrive because you do not want to always read them from the slow DVD. So I think in that case finding another computer who can copy the files should be okay. There are a lot of features that would improve for many more people, e.g. multiple Radeons or multiple connectors on the same Radeon card or pivot mode for screens aaaand many more. I think the team should focus on things that more people can benefit from.
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    connor wrote:
    It is a pity to have to wait fort hat long but we won’t speed it up by repeating this phrase. So we better let the team do their work.
    I do not think it makes a lot of sense to write support for these disc formats. How many games (which exist for MorphOS or will most probably be ported) use UDF DVD or HFS CD/DVD? Are there any at all? And how many can you *really* expect to be available within 2-3 years? Reading these discs will help you exactly once: to copy the files to harddrive because you do not want to always read them from the slow DVD. So I think in that case finding another computer who can copy the files should be okay. There are a lot of features that would improve for many more people, e.g. multiple Radeons or multiple connectors on the same Radeon card or pivot mode for screens aaaand many more. I think the team should focus on things that more people can benefit from.



    Agreed, multiple Radeon cards would be one I'd like myself.
    Then I could install a Radeon 9200 PCI for Warp3D compatibility, while still using a higher end Radeon card in another slot.
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    amigadave
    Posts: 2792 from 2006/3/21
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    jacadcaps wrote:
    We don't generally release individual components because there's usually cross dependencies between projects. And they tend to mount the longer the break between releases is.


    As I stated earlier, I am not too disappointed with how releases are done now, so I am not pushing for a change in how releases are done in the future, but it seems to me that the dependencies could probably be released first, which would allow more other components to be released as they are finished, which would prevent the build up of items that can't be released, because one is dependent on another, and that one is dependent on yet another part.

    I'm not one of the users waiting for 3.10 because they want to purchase an X5000 to run MorphOS, and I think that there are probably only a handful of MorphOS users that are in that boat, but I could be wrong I guess. Look at how many X1000's sold, when most people thought that A-Eon would not be able to sell even all of their first production run, and demand surpassed supply of all three production runs, with a few users coming late not being able to get their X1000.

    Like I wrote already, if it takes too much work to release MorphOS in many smaller updates, and the team already is stressed to complete the workload they have now, don't even consider my suggestions to release MorphOS bit by bit. On the other hand, if it is not any additional work, I don't think it is a bad idea to consider releasing the separate components of MorphOS as they are completed, and abandon the idea of bigger packaged releases, just to get the benefit of the "Wow" factor, that is experienced when a large number of improvements is sent out all at once.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1423 from 2003/4/13
    Don't take this as a shot to the hard working MorphOS developers, but I'm a little disappointed how long 3.10 is taking to come out. I take it that despite statements to the contrary, the loss of a couple team members seems to have slowed things down significantly. The MorphOS Team used to be a machine, just churning out updates at a breathtaking pace.

    I guess I got spoiled, big time. Again, not whining at the developers. My system still works, I just feel like a kid waiting for Christmas to come :-)

    If no new release ever came out again, I certainly got my money's worth and got everything I was promised and more. i just want a new release, dammit!! ;-)
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    redrumloa wrote:
    Don't take this as a shot to the hard working MorphOS developers, but I'm a little disappointed how long 3.10 is taking to come out. I take it that despite statements to the contrary, the loss of a couple team members seems to have slowed things down significantly. The MorphOS Team used to be a machine, just churning out updates at a breathtaking pace.

    I guess I got spoiled, big time. Again, not whining at the developers. My system still works, I just feel like a kid waiting for Christmas to come :-)

    If no new release ever came out again, I certainly got my money's worth and got everything I was promised and more. i just want a new release, dammit!! ;-)


    I'm still enjoying your G4 PowerMac, Jim. I just bought a 1.42 GHz dual cpu card (I'd already upgraded it to a 1.33 GHz Xserve cpu card) and I've added an NEC based USB 2.0 card (for more ports). I have an OWC SATA SSD on order from AOTL, and I'd like to replace the SWB Live sound card with a VIA Envy24HT based card.
    Then eventually I will upgrade the Radeon 9600 video card I installed as a replacement for your 9000, with an X800XT, or a X1950Pro AGP.
    OR, if we're really lucky, when Bigfoot gives us R600 accelerated drivers, he'll include the 3850 AGP variant and I can really push the system.

    BTW - If any of you ever sell a dual 1.8 GHz 7448 cpu card let me know.

    SO...I'm waiting for 3.10, AND whatever comes after.
    Not necessarily for the X5000 support, because I'm not buying one of those until the X5000/40 is introduced, but rather just because I like the new features each revision brings us.



    [ Edited by Jim 02.06.2017 - 20:58 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1205 from 2003/6/17
    To me, I dont know of anything that I would need on my G5 other than recognizing more RAM.
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    TheMagicM wrote:
    To me, I dont know of anything that I would need on my G5 other than recognizing more RAM.


    That's an OS3.x legacy issue, although here ought to be something that could be done will the extra memory.
    I still want a better video card.
    But the X800XT is pretty good (probably an even better performer than the X1950Pro AGP)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1423 from 2003/4/13
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    TheMagicM wrote:
    To me, I dont know of anything that I would need on my G5 other than recognizing more RAM.


    Every release has some Christmas goodies, usually something they soft sell as impossible to improve gets major improvement. The MorphOS Team loves to under promise and over deliver.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1205 from 2003/6/17
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    redrumloa wrote:
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    TheMagicM wrote:
    To me, I dont know of anything that I would need on my G5 other than recognizing more RAM.


    Every release has some Christmas goodies, usually something they soft sell as impossible to improve gets major improvement. The MorphOS Team loves to under promise and over deliver.


    LOL..true. I'm just curious what the x64 model is going to be. Meaning, the layout, how it will operate, if anything has been done to put MorphOS on x64. Then when you ask the latter, what will set it apart from AROS?
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    TheMagicM wrote:
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    redrumloa wrote:
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    TheMagicM wrote:
    To me, I dont know of anything that I would need on my G5 other than recognizing more RAM.


    Every release has some Christmas goodies, usually something they soft sell as impossible to improve gets major improvement. The MorphOS Team loves to under promise and over deliver.


    LOL..true. I'm just curious what the x64 model is going to be. Meaning, the layout, how it will operate, if anything has been done to put MorphOS on x64. Then when you ask the latter, what will set it apart from AROS?


    Ambient, better drivers for AMD video card, Reggae, our variant of MUI, lots of things we don't know about yet.
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > better drivers for AMD video card

    ...but worse drivers for Nvidia cards ;-)
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    takemehomegrandma
    Posts: 2708 from 2003/2/24
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    TheMagicM wrote:
    Then when you ask the latter, what will set it apart from AROS?


    It will still be MorphOS with all the bells and whistles, so aside from compatibility (and new additional features), the same things as today! ;-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1205 from 2003/6/17
    I wonder how good it will be though. IE. Haiku is a good reimplementation of BeOS, super snappy. Excellent UI, but something that I hardly ever use even though I have it in a VM. I wonder if MorphOS will be able to run in a VM.
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    lsitongia
    Posts: 28 from 2017/5/27
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    TheMagicM wrote:
    I wonder how good it will be though. IE. Haiku is a good reimplementation of BeOS, super snappy. Excellent UI, but something that I hardly ever use even though I have it in a VM. I wonder if MorphOS will be able to run in a VM.


    I revisit Haiku every few years. Most recently, I installed it a few months ago. I could not get the mail program to work reliably. I reported that, gave feedback, but it wasn't fixed. When I try a new OS, I'm expecting it to be my daily driver. It's got to have mail, web browser, calendar, contacts, at a minimum.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    polluks
    Posts: 690 from 2007/10/23
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    lsitongia schrieb:
    I revisit Haiku every few years. Most recently, I installed it a few months ago. I could not get the mail program to work reliably. I reported that, gave feedback, but it wasn't fixed. When I try a new OS, I'm expecting it to be my daily driver. It's got to have mail, web browser, calendar, contacts, at a minimum.


    Apropos mail client, I don't know why 3.10 will have a band new mail client. Use OWB, YAM or SimpleMail!
    In YAM are for example 22 years of development, and MorphOS needs its own program? *grrr*

    Reggae is a "multimedia" framework. What about video support? Nothing. Just burning manpower.
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    roschmyr
    Posts: 204 from 2003/2/20
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    polluks wrote:
    Apropos mail client, I don't know why 3.10 will have a band new mail client. Use OWB, YAM or SimpleMail!
    In YAM are for example 22 years of development, and MorphOS needs its own program? *grrr*



    where did you read that a new mail client will be in 3.10?
    and why not a new client for MorphOS? no more shitty/buggy nlist and proper imap support.

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    polluks wrote:
    Reggae is a "multimedia" framework. What about video support? Nothing. Just burning manpower.



    where is here the problem, it is not your time and "manpower"
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    Andreas_Wolf
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    > where did you read that a new mail client will be in 3.10?

    I guess he read comment #6.
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    roschmyr
    Posts: 204 from 2003/2/20
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > where did you read that a new mail client will be in 3.10?

    I guess he read comment #6.


    okay, then it is your fault ;)
    i have follwed the link and there was written Can't promise it'll go public with 3.10, but yes, IMAP is on top of the features list.

    i could only remember this statement
  • »18.06.17 - 12:34
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    jacadcaps
    Posts: 2649 from 2003/3/5
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    polluks wrote:

    Apropos mail client, I don't know why 3.10 will have a band new mail client. Use OWB, YAM or SimpleMail!
    In YAM are for example 22 years of development, and MorphOS needs its own program? *grrr*



    22 years? Perhaps that's why it does not handle IMAP very well. Not to mention it relying on obscure 3rd party MCCs that still werent updated to use proper frames and looks on MorphOS, making the whole app look out of place.
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    ernsteiswuerfel
    Posts: 460 from 2015/6/18
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    polluks schrieb:

    Apropos mail client, I don't know why 3.10 will have a band new mail client. Use OWB, YAM or SimpleMail!
    In YAM are for example 22 years of development, and MorphOS needs its own program? *grrr

    I would just use ANY email client on MorphOS which has proper IMAP-support. Last time I tried YAM this did not work out at all, last time I tried SimpleMail IMAP worked somehow but was rather crashy.

    From this perspective another email client sure has potential, be it MorphOS-native or not. ;-)

    [ Editiert durch ernsteiswuerfel 18.06.2017 - 18:51 ]
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