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Well, I may be supported right now. Jalapeno is "just" a gui for OpenSource based components.

Check for the tools delivered in MOSSYS:Data/Jalapeno/. cdrecord already seems to support BR.

The problem is in any case that you need a proper source file system to prepare the data to burn. Reading files
from a Bluray is probably an issue as it needs a different file system from what I remember.

However I wont hold my breath for any more in that direction, as optical media for storage is quite dead these days.
There are faster and cheaper ways to store data these days. Playing movies is another problem due the encryption.

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Hmm... I will agree that optical media is dying, but dead?
I just picked up a 10 pack of DVD-R discs a couple of days ago because I wanted an easier to use boot medium than a USB key (for upgrading a laptop to Win10).
Of course, if the laptop didn't have a DVD drive (like my own without the dockng station)...

I must admit, I like optical media.
If blu ray discs had a reduced size instead of more storage than I need, I might consider that move.
But let's face it, USB drives are nice, small and pocketable.

The primary disadvantage?
I don't just give away a thumb drive.

I have no problem with giving away optical media.

> Reading files from a Bluray [...] needs a different file system from what I remember.

Yes, UDF 2.50+.

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DL should burn just fine with Jalapeno's cdrecord backend. *Afair* BD is enabled as well - you just wouldn't be able to read the BD on MorphOS afterwards.

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However, that doesn't answer the problem I have with a standard DVD+R DL disc with video material on it that my Sony DVR could play as standard, but that MPlayer couldn't access and that Frying Pan couldn't burn/find it as a useable DL DVD+R disc with it inserted in my UJ-875 Dual-Layer DVD±R/W drive.

Either the system does handle this media, or it doesn't, a 'fudged' answer is not of much use to anyone using MorphOS, is it?

If someone on the Dev Team can give a comprehensive Yes or No answer, and information on whether this issue is being, or going to be addressed in the future (near or far) then that would be what I was hoping to know, thanks.

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Neither FryingPan nor mplayer are part of the system, are they? I wish I could give you a yes/no regarding Jalapeno, but I do not currently have a DL-capable burner, so there's no way for me to verify things. It's been a couple of years since I worked on this...

OK, I appreciate your very quick reply, but if someone in the Dev Team can actually answer this question, when they get a free moment to do so I'd be very grateful.

I, as a MOS user, mistakenly take it for granted that MPlayer is basically part of MorphOS, as is Frying Pan, though I know Frying Pan was never authored by anyone on the Dev Team, but MPlayer has been worked on by others who are, AFAIK, but they are an often associated with being an intrinsic part of the useablility of MorphOS as a whole, but I will bear in mind they aren't part of MOS as such in the future.

A stupid question, but you DO have a dual layer capable drive, don't you?
The majority of the machines we now support did not come with dual layer compatible optical drives, and most of DVD drives I have seen that support this feature have an SATA interface.

Just checking...

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Did you read this thread .... yet another stupid question!

As you haven't read - comment #61 by me "...useable DL DVD+R disc with it inserted in my UJ-875 Dual-Layer DVD±R/W drive."

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Part of the problem as I understand it from talking to Amiga on the Lake is what the dealer is getting from A-eon and what they are not. He said that he had to find the Fusion cases, video cards, RAM, drives, basically it sounds like all he is getting from A-eon is the motherboard, case front and OS license. He is burning the OS discs himself.

He said the particular Fusion cases are almost extinct, in the US at least. He called everywhere and apparently got every one available in the US - something like 27 cases and that's it.


They must be selling fairly well, for a super expensive, teeny tiny market like the Amiga :) After mine he said that he has only 2 cases left.

Ok, all this talk about video cards, SAM460, X5000, etc has got me wondering how much I really don't know that I don't know :)

Say you download version X of MorphOS. On the hardware supported page is listed motherboards / systems A, B and C and video cards V1, V2 and V3. Does that mean in the MorphOS world that every combination of motherboard & video card is supported or only some combinations?

From some of the discussion in this thread, much of it honestly flying right past me, I'm getting the idea that this might not be the case. Am I understanding correctly that some combinations, particularly the SAM460 and various video cards, are not supported?

I know that sounds like a really stupid question since right there in the hardware supported list, they are all listed as supported. In some other threads I was reading that supporting some cards on the sam was troublesome. Has that changed?

As before, the main reason is that I would like to run MorphOS on both the Sam and X5000 and am trying to find a card that is supported by all OSes I'm wanting to try. Not that I expect the fastest MorphOS performance from either (that's what the Macs are for), simply for the convenience.

> Does that mean in the MorphOS world that every combination of
> motherboard & video card is supported or only some combinations?

There are compatibility restrictions like slot type, voltage, BIOS type, presence of bridge chip etc.

> I would like to run MorphOS on both the Sam and X5000 and am trying
> to find a card that is supported by all OSes I'm wanting to try.

Regarding X5000: not yet supported by MorphOS. Wait for 3.10 and see what will have changed in terms of graphics card support.
Regarding Sam460: Use an R500-based Radeon (X1300 to X1950). R500 is well supported by MorphOS (including 3D) and mediocrely supported by OS4 (including Compositing, but no 3D).

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Hey, I told you it was a stupid question.

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You made my day
We just left out some steps, directly from SD to UHD.

> We just left out some steps, directly from SD to UHD.

No problem playing high-profile H264 in 720p here :-)

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Or on a PowerMac G4 with a 1.33GHz processor card, or a 1.42 GHz iBook here (let alone a G5).

I'd still like some form of gpu assisted decoding to get the cpu load down though (or how about off-loading that to a second core when present).

>> No problem playing high-profile H264 in 720p here :-)

> Or on a PowerMac G4 with a 1.33GHz processor card, or a 1.42 GHz iBook here

High-profile H264 in 720p didn't work too well on my 1.5 GHz Mac mini.

> let alone a G5

Yes, that's what "here" means :-)

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Really? Can you send me the file you tried so I can check it out?
Since I doubt the video in your Mac Mini seriously affects playback, you have made me curious.
I've actually tried files with high resolutions than this on the G5, and I'm curious to see if what you tried playing produces similar results in G4's with plug-in video cards.

But your results do back up the contention that we needs gpu assisted video decoding.

1080p H264/x264 mkv are being played flawless on G5 2.5Ghz. 720p h264 mkv are okish on PMac 3.1 G4 1.6Ghz. Buffering when skipping forward/backward is a problem but I assume that is caused due to the very slow and old IDE HD interface of my main system. Streaming over lan from a NAS is ok too. Highly compressed MP4 are usually proved to be a problem on the other hand.

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With the G4, it could be a hard drive issue. And there is a fairly wide variation in how 720P videos are encoded.
In any case, since redrumloa equipped the G4 I have with an SATA controller, I have an easy path to upgrading to an SSD (if I can find an SATA1 compatible drive).

BTW guys, I have an IDE to SATA adapter here I haven't tried yet that I'll eventually install on a dual layer SATA DVD-RW drive to see if that works. It would make upgrading to a dual layer drive easier than trying to dig up a PATA DVD drive.

Oh, and the G5's playback capability has been known for awhile, but the cpu utilization is still way too high with 1080P video.

I play movies in 720p on my pbook g4 1.5ghz whith a slow 5400 rpm hard drive have you tried to raise the stack of your filesystem?

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I'm pretty impressed with the data rates a 2.5" drive can produce, even the 5400 rpm models.
I have them in two different X64 systems.
They tend to be faster than 10K rpm 3.5" WD Raptors.

>> High-profile H264 in 720p didn't work too well on my 1.5 GHz Mac mini.

> Really? Can you send me the file you tried so I can check it out?

This was the case with virtually all Youtube videos (except rather static ones like OS screen captures).

Any word on 3.10?

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I've seen it running just a few days ago. My source claims that the release is imminent, but won't happen in at least one month (it pointed at June perhaps, but don't beat me if 3.10 comes later. Or earlier).