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amigadave

# 115
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 2794 from 2006/3/21

From: Northern Calif...

Quote:

ernsteiswuerfel wrote:
From this perspective another email client sure has potential, be it MorphOS-native or not.

To use MorphOS as my daily OS I need three things;

1. Real security (on top of the "security by obscurity"), without needing 3rd party software to help make it secure, and built-in, or later, a virus checker.

2. Web browser that works on almost all sites, including banking and web stores, "securely".

3. Email program that works with the most popular email sites "securely".

To use MorphOS daily for fun, I don't need any of the above, but it would be nice to have a web browser that worked well enough to do secure downloads & transactions, from most sites.
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»18.06.17 - 20:19

polluks

# 116
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 779 from 2007/10/23

From: Gelsenkirchen,...

Quote:

roschmyr wrote:
where is here the problem, it is not your time and "manpower"

I know, MorphOS is a hobby project, everyone can develop what he wants...
Do you still remember times of version 1.4? Your ISO didn't have a TCP/IP stack but a Tetris clone

Quote:

ernsteiswuerfel wrote:
last time I tried SimpleMail IMAP worked somehow but was rather crashy.

Feel free to report the bug here
You know Outlook if someone is sending you a vcf? Just double-click it.
Okay, so I wrote a small ARexx script, now SimpleMail (MOS, OS3, OS4, AROS) has the same feature.

Quote:

jacadcaps wrote:
22 years? Perhaps that's why it does not handle IMAP very well. Not to mention it relying on obscure 3rd party MCCs that still werent updated to use proper frames and looks on MorphOS, making the whole app look out of place.

SimpleMail was written 2000. Well, its IMAP is not perfect but far better than POP
In my opinion an OS needs good components (more drivers etc.), less applications (except a browser).

Let's take a look at Unicode support:
* Linux bash? check
* macOS bash? check
* even Windows cmd? check
* MorphOS MUICON? fail
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»18.06.17 - 21:05

polluks

# 117
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 779 from 2007/10/23

From: Gelsenkirchen,...
Quote:

amigadave schrieb:
1. Real security (on top of the "security by obscurity"), without needing 3rd party software to help make it secure, and built-in, or later, a virus checker.

Indeed? Code:
```
lock sys: on
```
system 100% secure.
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»18.06.17 - 21:14

Andreas_Wolf

# 118
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12079 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> email sites

What's that?
»18.06.17 - 23:52

Leo

# 119
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 417 from 2003/8/18

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> email sites

What's that?

I guess he meant GMail, Outlook,...
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»19.06.17 - 07:46

Jim

# 120
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 4977 from 2009/1/28

From: Delaware, USA

Quote:

amigadave wrote:
Quote:

ernsteiswuerfel wrote:
From this perspective another email client sure has potential, be it MorphOS-native or not.

To use MorphOS as my daily OS I need three things;

1. Real security (on top of the "security by obscurity"), without needing 3rd party software to help make it secure, and built-in, or later, a virus checker.

2. Web browser that works on almost all sites, including banking and web stores, "securely".

3. Email program that works with the most popular email sites "securely".

To use MorphOS daily for fun, I don't need any of the above, but it would be nice to have a web browser that worked well enough to do secure downloads & transactions, from most sites.

I am not sure what No.1 actually means. We are pretty close on No.2. And on No.3, I have access to my e-mail via Odyssey since Fab helped me sort out an issue I had doing that years ago.

No. 4, though, I need a good editor/word processor that will allow transfer of files to a from my other hardware.
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»19.06.17 - 12:20

jPV

# 121
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 2026 from 2003/2/24

From: po-RNO

Quote:

amigadave wrote:
To use MorphOS as my daily OS I need three things;

1. Real security (on top of the "security by obscurity"), without needing 3rd party software to help make it secure, and built-in, or later, a virus checker.

Well.. I feel much safer under MorphOS with "security by obscurity" and behind the firewall of my router, than for example using Windows with its built-in virus checker. I don't think we have much problems with viruses... even Mac people use their systems without checkers :)

Quote:

2. Web browser that works on almost all sites, including banking and web stores, "securely".

OWB works for banking and other accounts pretty well for me, it's quite rare to have problems with shopping either. What do you think is the security problem here?

Quote:

3. Email program that works with the most popular email sites "securely".

I'm happy with POP3, and SimpleMail has worked just fine with GMail, Outlook (365), and several ISP related accounts... with TLS mostly. It uses pretty new openssl implementation nowadays, so what's the problem with security again?

[ Edited by jPV 19.06.2017 - 15:07 ]
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»19.06.17 - 13:06

scrAb_

# 122
Butterfly

Posts: 62 from 2010/7/23
Quote:
Indeed? Code:
```
lock sys: on
```
system 100% secure.
...ehm...what?
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»20.06.17 - 19:27

jPV

# 123
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 2026 from 2003/2/24

From: po-RNO
Quote:
scrAb_ wrote:
Quote:
Indeed? Code:
lock sys: on
system 100% secure.
...ehm...what?
Write protects the system partition. I had all my partitions locked on Amiga, and a hotkey to unlock/lock them again... I knew every write to the system :) But have slipped from that practise on MorphOS...

At least it secures from any unwanted software etc, but doesn't of course protect from data moving on net :)
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»20.06.17 - 20:29

polluks

# 124
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 779 from 2007/10/23

From: Gelsenkirchen,...

Quote:

jPV schrieb:
Write protects the system partition. I had all my partitions locked on Amiga, and a hotkey to unlock/lock them again... I knew every write to the system :) But have slipped from that practise on MorphOS...

At least it secures from any unwanted software etc, but doesn't of course protect from data moving on net :)

Correct
VPDF and Transfer want to save their settings for no reason :-p
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»20.06.17 - 21:35

ernsteiswuerfel

# 125
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 545 from 2015/6/18

From: Funeralopolis

Quote:

polluks schrieb:
Feel free to report the bug here
You know Outlook if someone is sending you a vcf? Just double-click it.
Okay, so I wrote a small ARexx script, now SimpleMail (MOS, OS3, OS4, AROS) has the same feature.

I wrote the authors an email with the bug description at that time and even donated some money via Paypal. Only later I realized there was a specific bug tracker. The 3 bugs filed there pretty much describe my problems, so I skipped the "me too"-part on the tracker.
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»21.06.17 - 14:00

polluks

# 126
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 779 from 2007/10/23

From: Gelsenkirchen,...

Maybe it's already fixed https://github.com/sba1/simplemail/pull/11
but this year we had no release
At least I could compile 0.44 but it freezes after folder access
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»23.06.17 - 22:34

scrAb_

# 127
Butterfly

Posts: 62 from 2010/7/23
Quote:
jPV wrote:
Quote:
scrAb_ wrote:
Quote:
Indeed? Code:
lock sys: on
system 100% secure.
...ehm...what?
Write protects the system partition. I had all my partitions locked on Amiga, and a hotkey to unlock/lock them again... I knew every write to the system :) But have slipped from that practise on MorphOS...

At least it secures from any unwanted software etc, but doesn't of course protect from data moving on net :)
thank yof for the explanation :)
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»25.06.17 - 07:44

Andreas_Wolf

# 128
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12079 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> I don't know why 3.10 will have a band new mail client.

Seems it most probably won't:

http://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11917&forum=32&start=36
»04.08.17 - 20:45

Andreas_Wolf

# 129
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12079 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> if we're really lucky, [...] he'll include the 3850 AGP variant

AGP variant of HD3850 (as well as HD2400 Pro, HD2600 Pro, HD3650, HD4650) supported according to http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes/3.10

Edit: AGP cards have been removed, see comment #132

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 26.03.2018 - 14:02 ]
»25.03.18 - 22:46

Adonay

# 130
Just looking around

Posts: 17 from 2015/8/7

From: Norway

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
> if we're really lucky, [...] he'll include the 3850 AGP variant

AGP variant of HD3850 (as well as HD2400 Pro, HD2600 Pro, HD3650, HD4650) supported according to http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes/3.10

Very interesting
»26.03.18 - 00:48

Acill

# 131
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1914 from 2003/10/19

From: Port Hueneme, Ca.

I ended up installing it to my G5, but I sure wanted to install it on my X5000!!! It looks like my HD7700 card it came with still isnt supported.
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»26.03.18 - 05:05

bigfoot

# 132
MorphOS Developer

Posts: 508 from 2003/4/11

Unfortunately the AGP variants of the Radeon HD cards were listed on our website by accident. They're not supported by the MorphOS 3.10 release. The supported hardware page has been updated to reflect this. I'm sorry for the confusion.
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»26.03.18 - 12:05

Andreas_Wolf

# 133
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12079 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> the AGP variants of the Radeon HD cards were listed on our website by accident.

The "HD3850 AGP" is still listed ;-)

Edit: It has been removed, see comment #134.

[ Edited by Andreas_Wolf 26.03.2018 - 14:58 ]
»26.03.18 - 13:04

ASiegel

# 134
Posts: 1370 from 2003/2/15

From: Central Europe

Quote:

Andreas_Wolf wrote:
The "HD3850 AGP" is still listed

Not anymore. Also, this only affected the release notes.
»26.03.18 - 13:44

Andreas_Wolf

# 135
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12079 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> this only affected the release notes.

Yes, that's what I referenced in comment #129.
»26.03.18 - 14:00

Andreas_Wolf

# 136
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12079 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> the AGP variants of the Radeon HD cards [are] not supported
> by the MorphOS 3.10 release.

"Fixed AGP support on [...] R600 cards"
http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes/3.11

So I guess HD2xxx and HD3xxx AGP cards should work now.
»06.07.18 - 16:58