The Great Britain has had a referendum whether to Remain in the EU, or to Leave the EU.

The "Leave" side won.



Google reports that the second most asked ("Googled") question in the UK *AFTER* the referendum was held and the result was published, was... "What is the EU?"



https://twitter.com/GoogleTrends/status/746303118820937728/photo/1

Hmm.

Anyways:

The Strongest Leave Votes:
Boston 75.6%
South Holland 73.6%
Castle Point 72.7%

How Castle Black voted isn't clear. Presumably they are hoping for Scotland to leave the UK, so that the Ice Wall can be rebuilt.

A wish that isn't too far off in reality.

As opposite to the overall Brits, a clear and solid majority of the Scots wants to remain in the EU. A new referendum of independence could be a solution for the country.

"- When we had the referendum of independence in 2014 we were told that the best chance Scotland had to remain in the EU was that it remained as part of Great Britain. This is clearly not the case now. That promise has been broken", says Stephen Gethins, member of the Scottish National Party (SNP) who has been campaigning to remain.

And then: "Scotland will begin preparations for a new referendum of independency", says the lands leader Nicola Sturgeon to The Guardian. She says she wants to explore all possibilities for Scotland to remain within the EU.

She has called for an urgent meeting with the chairman of the EU Commission.

"To bring the Great Britain outside the EU against the Scots will is 'democratically unacceptable'", says Nicola Sturgeon. A new referendum of Scottish independency is "most probable", according to her. "It's too early to say when".

Voices has been raised on Ireland and Northern Ireland to arrange a referendum about a unification of the two parts. (!!!) 56% of the population in North Ireland voted to remain in the EU. (Ireland is already a solid member) "-The British government has no democratic mandate to represent Northern Ireland's interests in future negotiations with the EU", says the republican politician and former IRA-member Martin McGuinness.

Even Welsh politicians speaks up about independence in the aftermath of the EU referendum. "- Scotland elected to Stay, and a new referendum of independence can become real. It is clear that Great Britain cannot continue as it is", says politician Leanne Wood, whose party Plaid Cymru has long campaigned for Welsh independence.

Well, it's one Union against another, it seems. Like in a Game of Thrones. A lot of "unions" there...

So what about the flags? Some prominent "Leave" advocate said something about getting rid of/throwing away the EU flag, etc...?

Well, IMHO a remodeling of the UK flag "The Union Jack" was already long overdue...



...and the results could soon very well look like this in a few years from now (about 2 years perhaps?):



...which in turn could make *this* picture win the prize of "the Most Ironic Picture of The Year(s to come)":





Well, what about the "Aye"-sayer's then?

Strongest remain vote:
Gibraltar 95.9%

"-Our model is a Joint British-Spanish Government for a certain time, after which we will move towards a reunification of Gibraltar into Spain", said Minister of Foreign Affairs, José Manuel García-Margallo, in Spanish radio.

Well, why not?

And the Church?

The *Pope* says (according to AP) that "the Brit's wish to leave the EU must be respected, and the rest of the European Continent must now work towards living together".

Well, onto the perhaps biggest question of all in this EU/UK mess (except the biggest unanswered question: "Where Is the Money?" (Which Amiga game? )): "Will the UK be able to participate in the Eurovision Song Contest in the future?"

Well, the soothing answer is: Yes! The Eurovision Song Contest has very little to do with "Europe". Israel has been participating forever. Australia was allowed in for the second time this year, and they almost won the damn thing! And it's rumored that even the USA (and China?) will participate the next year?

So Yes, even England (etc) will be allowed...



(The source of information for this article is mainly the Swedish Television's live reporting, and every case of "lost in translation" is due to Yours Truly)

(Bodies? I have mentioned Australia in this post! Are you still with us? )

"Not everyone who voted to leave is a racist but every racist voted to leave" - Billy Bragg

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/intolerance-ethnic-minority-poles-uk

As we have a representative democracy not a direct democracy we may not even be leaving anyway.

http://www.standard.co.uk/business/anthony-hilton-why-we-may-remain-even-if-we-vote-leave-a3272621.html

https://www.expatistan.com/price/eggs/beijing

Really, what has this thread to do with MorphOS?

Aren't there enough online places to discuss such stuff, rather than clutter up the forum with such apparently unnecessary topics?

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Only one aspect is relevant to MorphOS - whether paying for it becomes harder for British people. Right now that doesn't look likely, but you never know. With every brexiteer promise falling hard flat on its face on the first fcking day after the vote, the idea of just lobbing some pounds into a paypal will probably involve forms. Lots of forms. And extra charges. Lots of extra charges.

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I have great sympathy with anybody who is sick and tired of this topic, However, because there is only a single discussion thread and it is aptly, yet non-offensively titled, I do not think it is too much of a burden to ask to simply ignore it if you have no interest to read any additional opinions on the matter.

With that being said, particulary because MorphZone is not necessarily a place that attracts a high percentage of individuals looking for political discussion and because we have a rather varied group of international visitors, there is a chance that you might discover a fresh and interesting take on the developments especially from an outsider´s perspective that you will unlikely see voiced by emotionally charged people who have been debating the topic for months.

Furthermore, since MorphOS will eventually support the X5000, which was developed for British company A-Eon and will be distributed by British reseller Leaman Computing (AmigaKit), there is in fact a direct connection between the result of this referendum and the MorphOS community.

AmigaKit are indeed facing potentially harder times. I don't know how much of their stuff they sold to mainland Europe, but whatever they did is going to be a lot more expensive over there than it was... and it already was horribly expensive. And that's not even considering if any of their parts were imported from the EU.

I predict a bonfire of the little UK companies like AmigaKit. Brexit doesn't absolve any UK hardware companies of complying with EU directives, such as RoHS. "Taking back our own markets from crazy Brussels bureaucrats" was another bald-faced Brexiter lie, as we're going still have to comply with every crazy Brussels bureaucrat directive, including vacuum cleaners and hairdryers, unless we plan on only selling our stuff to British people. So we still have all the barriers, but with extra charges and red tape, and it'll be too much for AmigaKit.

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That does not surprise me in the least. I've worked with European legislation (regulations, as well as directives incorporated into UK law), seen the development of some of the frameworks over the years, even had input into some of the wording of some of the legislation through industry involvement (the harmonisation of technical standards in rail and automotive).
And still my understanding of the EU and its workings is 'entry level,' although I do appreciate it (and the magnitude of common purpose) somewhat more than the average Joe.

Note to any potential political leaders: If you're going to an 40+ year economic and international strategy to a coinflip referendum, try to precede it with about 10 years of 'soft' public education actually informing people what the EU is for, what it does, how it manages it, and celebrate its successes as well as publicising its failures.
Don't just call for a show of hands after giving Murdoch et al free reign to criticise, undermine and lie about it for several decades.

Also perhaps narrow the question asked rather than leaving a row of coathooks for the dispossessed to hang their pet hates on to: housing shortages/price inflation, job scarcity/insecurity, low wages.

Perhaps some basic level of honesty about the causes of social pressures (chronic underinvestment, lack of planning), rather than allowing unopposed blaming of 'immigrants' might also be a way to go.

As it stands, the No decision is a culmination of various expressions of rage and dispossession. Sadly, the decision stands: The EU wants us out (can't blame them: we're a pain in the arse when it comes to cooperating), and no government would survive ignoring such a referendum vote.

Hell, I'm vehemently pro-EU, but more pro-democracy: I wouldn't support ignoring the vote.

We have to accept it and move on. The Sun will still rise.

I look forward to the game of 'follow the lady' as the promised 18Bn (£350M per week) increase to our NHS budget promised by the leave campaigners 'disappears'.

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Already happened on the day after the election: Nigel Farage calls Vote Leave's '£350m for the NHS' an unfortunate mistake

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Pretty much all of the Brexit promises were wiped away in the hours after the result:

The pound fell, as did the markets. Brexit said they wouldn't or that it would be "a good thing". Maybe it is for some, but not for most.

UK lost its positive credit rating. So did City of London. And won't get it back soon. This is not a good thing no matter how it's spun.

UK banking businesses started moving jobs out of London and into the EU -- they can't supply their clients otherwise. No amount of talking and negotiation can change that. London faces losing 10,000 jobs in just a year>, serious pain for even a city as large as London. Areas of the financial city face going full Detroit.

Calais officials began proceedings to withdraw UK's checking of passports on the French side. Brexit insisted that this was scaremongering, and yet they're doing it.

Scotland officially declared its intention for a second independence referendum, as 65% of its citizens chose to stay. Brexit continually insisted they wouldn't, or that indyref2 "wouldn't be allowed". And yet they are.

Gibraltar may rejoin Spain.

House prices didn't fall and look as though they may actually go up. Brexit used the immigration strawman to hide the fact that UK house prices are so high because of unequal distribution of jobs, buy and rent, and thirty years of not building houses.

I'm personally looking forward to all the salty butthurt when net immigration actually increases, incandescent light bulbs aren't reintroduced and house prices continue to rise, but it would be a pyrrhic victory as most of the leave voters may only live another 20 years and already have their mortgages paid and pensions ready.

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Ah, well that's where the 'follow the lady' bit comes in. Now I could have missed the ball being palmed at the start - I must admit to not paying close attention to what the swivelling loons were actuyally saying at that point - but as far as I'm aware it was the official leave campaign (headed by Gove, Johnson) that 'promised' the reallocation of funds.

Farage, despite being a visible figure and leader of UKIP, was actually not involved in the official 'leave' campaign.

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Technically, it is just a matter of perspective. If you convert all house prices to US dollars, they did drop quite a bit within a day after the election.

(To be fair, I am sure the GBP value will normalize again once the shock wears off.)

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Totally agree with the above.
I'd add that I'm now all in favour for allowing Brexiters to Creosote their sheds, use lead pipes and solder wherever possible, and holiday on turd-infested beaches whilst reading newspapers that aren't allowed to report on any issue involving any ongoing court preceedings.

Just like it was before that nasty EU came over here telling us how free our presses should be*, and how we should probably avoid toxifying our own nests.

* Actually credit is due to the ECHR rather than the EU for this one, in the wake of the Sunday Times campaign against Distillers to accept liability for the suffering of mothers and children as a result of Thalidomide.

[ Edited by boot_wb 25.06.2016 - 13:54 ]

Looks like I didn't need to wait:

"Leave campaigner Nigel Evans has denied immigration will fall after the UK voted to leave the EU. The Conservative MP said there had been some “misunderstanding” over the Leave campaign’s position on reducing immigration.

Speaking to BBC Radio 5 live’s Stephen Nolan, he said the Leave campaign’s plan was to “control” immigration and not necessarily reduce it."

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Wow. I'm giving it a few days to let the hysteria die down, but... wow.

Apparently we just left the United Nations lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fox-news-eu-referendum_uk_576cea04e4b08d2c5638e59b

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexitvote/2016/06/24/the-brexit-debate-is-far-from-over-there-will-have-to-be-a-further-vote/

A cynic would say this was Boris' plan all along just to become PM.


[ Edited by Intuition 25.06.2016 - 15:17 ]

@KennyR

@KennyR


Let's see if us UK MorphOS users can set a small pebble rolling:

5 signatures needed to get it online:

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Signed and shared. JC for PM God willing.

A view from the other side of the pond, I think this was the right move. Good going Britain.

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But you also think voting for Trump is a good idea so

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I'd support any state that left the USA too tbh :)

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Thanks dude, one more signature gets the 5 (although I can't guarantee they are all Morphzone denizens).

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I'm much more inclined to call a second independence referendum so that we (Scotland) don't need to leave the EU in the first place, and actually have a chance of getting a government we voted for.

[ Edited by KennyR 25.06.2016 - 21:25 ]

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There are good arguements on both sides. Sadly, few of them were made during the referendum campaign.

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I think the US just needs to lose Texas. I could probably get on quite well with the rest of them.