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A-Eon is not "official" in any way and at best they could (perhaps) use the AmigaOne trade mark (hence not Amiga) if Hyperion allows this. But AFAIK they don't, there is at least nothing in the press release suggesting it. They call it "ALICE." The official name of the OS owned by Cloanto that ALICE is using, is "Workbench".

Tell that to fanboys

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I see your point, it's just bizzare that for a group of people so obsessed with products bearing "the name" to be considered kosher yet a product officially blessed by the rightful owner of "the name" was dismissed as being not worthy and this pale imitation of Amithlon is completely OK.

Since by 'real' we really mean 'used with permission from the trademark holder', yes its weird.
Anyone want a Commodore cell phone?

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This Alice thing doesn't use "the name" because it doesn't have permission. Won't stop the nutjobs insisting it is "real" though.

Yeah, funny isn't it

> a product officially blessed by the rightful owner of "the name" was dismissed
> as being not worthy

That was because another official product was announced 4 months earlier by the rightful owner of "the name", which was spoiling expectations.

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Of course, and they've shown time and time again they have no problem shifting their allegiances to whatever messiah is flavour of the month.

Currently it's A-Aeon. For now.

> they've shown time and time again they have no problem shifting their allegiances
> to whatever messiah is flavour of the month.

Wouldn't that indicate there's no allegiance? I can't see anything bad in this.
Besides, doesn't the fact they didn't switch to Amithlon mean that they didn't shift their allegiance?

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Yep, thats my point.

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Amiga Inc, godlike saviours at first, then they got restless and elevated Hyperion as replacement. Many are getting restless again and hoping that A-Eon will get the IP from Hyperion.

They can do what they like, no skin off my nose, I just find the regular hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance from the faithful flock amusing. :)

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with A-Eon promoting and selling the A.L.I.C.E. laptops. For Amiga users who no longer want to keep an original Commodore Amiga computer, emulation is a perfectly valid experience, since UAE has become so well supported, and the hardware it now runs on is so fast, it makes the emulation very good.

I don't care what anyone chooses to call "real", or not. That kind of petty argument got old many years ago, so I just ignore those who choose to argue about what they think others should think is "Real", or unworthy of the "Real" status.

I purchased the AmiKit USB stick that I believe has the workings of the A.L.I.C.E. laptop on it, but have not yet had time to install and test it out on any of my systems, because I want to put it on a separate hard drive, and have not decided which one to put it on, or which computer to try it with.

If I will be able to run AmigaOS3.9 and seamlessly and invisibly then run Linux and/or Windows applications and games from the AmigaOS3.9 Workbench desktop, I will be a happy customer. It sounds like something similar to AEROS, being an AmigaOS hosted on top of Linux, with the Linux parts hidden as much as possible. Since I have not yet used it, and only very briefly glanced at the A.L.I.C.E. laptops at the 2015 AmiWest Show, my assumptions of what it is may be incorrect.

>> Wouldn't that indicate there's no allegiance?

> Yep, thats my point.

Okay, so all is well then. After all, allegiance to one's family, friends or even employer makes sense, but not to a vendor of computing products.

> Amiga Inc, godlike saviours at first, then they got restless and elevated Hyperion
> as replacement.

Yes, and the Amithlon episode started in between. The reason it was easy for them to switch from Amiga Inc. to Hyperion, but not to Amithlon, was that both Amiga Inc. and Hyperion's announcements were, from a user's perspective, essentially about the same product. Completely reasonable in my opinion.

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...and I find it interesting that here at MorphZone there's a thread with > 200 posts stating "it's stupid", "I find the faithful amusing" etc. pp. whereas the topic should be more or less irrelevant for "The Brave, Bold and Rational Name Agnostics".

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The top two posters in this thread contributed 100 posts by themselves, and almost two thirds of all posts were submitted by a mere 5 posters. I think it is fair to say that this discussion was kept alive by a tiny minority of community members.

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Glad to be of service.

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It looks like the 700-1,000 Euro range is indeed correct for a full system after all. Apparently Trevor just stated on the livestream that the Tabor board alone will be 400Euro. A full system would indeed be north of 700Euro then.

That's one expensive 'Turd sandwich' then! :smh:

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The releasedate should now be importent, to keep some momentum....

400€ + VAT + mandatory bundled OS4 + RadeonHD + ........

Don't expect it to be really cheap, and it might even struggle to outperform a Peg2 (450€ 12 years ago).

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But the Peg can't handle modern video card.
Although it will stay outperform Tabor's fpu.

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Nope, I don't expect cheap. 400Euro is bad enough and that is just the board! As you mention gfx card drivers are extra, firmware updates are extra, just about everything is extra. Waaay to much for a board that will be Efika level performance in real life.

Nah, don't get to mean.

If it's running code compiled for it's FPU it will outperform a Peg2.
If that code can use both cores it will even outperform most G4 Macs (Dual >1.5Ghz may be the exception).
If it can be made to run stable with Amiga-code (big if here) it will perform somewhere between SAM440 and 460, aka way byond Efika.

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Lots of IFs...
And if code is compiled to run on Tabor, it won't run on other machines without an alternate compilation.
Weird situation this places everyone in. Separate programs specific to one board.


[ Edited by Jim 08.10.2016 - 19:41 ]

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I don't mean to be mean at all. I take the FPU will be essentially emulated and that is what 99.x% of all OS4 software that hits the FPU will have to deal with. Wouldn't this drag the performance down to Efika level?

Granted you are probably right about software that doesn't require FPU, it will be somewhere around Sam460 level. Sam460 performance isn't exactly a smoker.

Also, someone please remind me if the Tabor CPU has Altivec?

Neither Tabor nor X5000 have Altivec.

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Damn... That goodness we have our power mac to use.