Any news from Neuss
  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Jeckel
    Posts: 133 from 2007/3/11
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    geit wrote:
    Well, those 68k mui classes, devices and etc will be obsolete when not using 68k applications anymore. [...]



    I'm afraid you are a bit optimistic.
    Dropping all these 68k stuff will be for sure a drawback for most users. :)

    We will have to re-implement a lot of libraries and small tools. Till now it was not done because the 68k versions did the job and performance was not an issue; but in case of 68k compatbility drop, a lot of small tools/libs will have to be re-done from scratch.

    Not a big deal, but a lot of work.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1164 from 2003/6/17
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    geit wrote:

    Well, i guess we can say that any port of that kind is years away and i really donĀ“t think we need any PPC or 68K emulation then. In fact with all the 64bit, endian, memprotection involved a full size emulatior would be required to run old stuff, but for what?



    I'm not concerned with backwards compatibility, it was more a question of what will we use for our old stuff.

    I'm all for any version of MorphOS that gives us the ability to move forward and make it easier for software to get ported or developed for this system. If it means leaving PPC, so be it. PPC *now* is ok, but in the long run is a hindrance. x86 gives us the raw power and access to much cheaper hardware.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1391 from 2003/4/13
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    TheMagicM wrote:
    I'm not concerned with backwards compatibility, it was more a question of what will we use for our old stuff.



    We'll get UAE quickly for sure. Hopefully a proper port of WinUAE will be easier. WinUAE would give us everything we need up to OS3.9 and Pup/Wup. Most important MorphOS native software can be recompiled. There will be a handful lost, but the gain certainly will be worth it.

    PowerMac G5 w/MorphOS was the logical conclusion for me as an ex-Amiga user. They accomplished pretty much everything I wanted out of an "Amiga" over the years. The short time I owned a CyberstormPPC left me longing for exactly what we have now. Besides wanting a few things polished up in support of the G5, I think the whole PPC thing is played out. We need to get out of this sandbox and into the major league. I don't quite understand the left turn into OS4 hardware land, but this is their baby and they haven't disappointed yet. Hopefully this left turn doesn't last long and we get back on the highway.

    Not as much a direct reply to you TheMagicM, more of a coffee fueled ramble :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1164 from 2003/6/17
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    redrumloa wrote:
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    TheMagicM wrote:
    I'm not concerned with backwards compatibility, it was more a question of what will we use for our old stuff.



    We'll get UAE quickly for sure. Hopefully a proper port of WinUAE will be easier. WinUAE would give us everything we need up to OS3.9 and Pup/Wup. Most important MorphOS native software can be recompiled. There will be a handful lost, but the gain certainly will be worth it.

    PowerMac G5 w/MorphOS was the logical conclusion for me as an ex-Amiga user. They accomplished pretty much everything I wanted out of an "Amiga" over the years. The short time I owned a CyberstormPPC left me longing for exactly what we have now. Besides wanting a few things polished up in support of the G5, I think the whole PPC thing is played out. We need to get out of this sandbox and into the major league. I don't quite understand the left turn into OS4 hardware land, but this is their baby and they haven't disappointed yet. Hopefully this left turn doesn't last long and we get back on the highway.

    Not as much a direct reply to you TheMagicM, more of a coffee fueled ramble :-)



    I agree. I love my G5 with MorphOS. Best damn money I've spent on a computer in a long time. Moving to X86 will put MorphOS into territory covered by other "free" OS's like SkyOS for example.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10923 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > "free" OS's like SkyOS

    Hasn't SkyOS been dead for years?

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=11342&start=74
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    jPV
    Posts: 1640 from 2003/2/24
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    TheMagicM wrote:
    x86 gives us the raw power and access to much cheaper hardware.


    I'm not sure about that cheaper. Can it get much cheaper where we are now? :) Ok, for new computers maybe, but used and as fast as new systems are bargain currently. In any case, remember that it's been said, that the "NG" will be some fixed hardware still even on x86. You can't expect that any machine would magically work then. Probably some newer x86 Macs, which might not be that cheap still.
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  • MorphOS Developer
    geit
    Posts: 936 from 2004/9/23
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    Cego wrote:

    - MorphOS PowerUp is at version 3.8 and if it will ever be released and when is not decided yet



    MorphOS on PowerUp is 3.10 as well.

    We just did not update as we wanted to show the system running and not spent all day to fix a broken update installation.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1391 from 2003/4/13
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    jPV wrote:
    You can't expect that any machine would magically work then. Probably some newer x86 Macs, which might not be that cheap still.



    No, this line of thinking needs to stop. The MorphOS Team has stated repeatedly it will certainly NOT be Mac X86 hardware. It makes no sense to target Mac.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10923 from 2003/5/22
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    > Probably some newer x86 Macs

    "When MorphOS gets ported to AMD64, we will not be supporting Macs. AMD64 Macs have all the wrong hardware for that to make any sense."
    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=11137&forum=11&start=6
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22
    From: Stockholm, Sweden
    Blog about Neuss: https://morphosuser.wordpress.com/2015/10/13/amiga30-at-neuss-and-commodore-fan-club-japan/

    It's not indepth in any way but enjoy :-)
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    connor
    Posts: 531 from 2007/7/29
    @ Yasu: top read! Thanks for this.
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    TheMagicM
    Posts: 1164 from 2003/6/17
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > "free" OS's like SkyOS

    Hasn't SkyOS been dead for years?

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=11342&start=74


    yea, but gets my point across.
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  • Priest of the Order of the Butterfly
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    NewSense
    Posts: 866 from 2012/11/10
    From: Manchester, UK/GB
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    ASiegel wrote:
    Yes.

    People were able to test it at the Amiga 30 event in Neuss, Germany. MorphOS developer Frank Mariak had spent a considerable amount of time before the show to ensure that it could be shown.

    I thought I remembered Frank mentioning that he was in contact with Deron about finishing a working MorphOS version 5.x.x.x of Pagestream, but that has all been kept very hush-hush for the time it has taken for it to get to this point.

    Good news indeed, as far as I am concerned, and probably for many, many other Amiga users who have migrated to MorphOS, and still use Pagestream. It was a great program then, and hopefully will be again. ;-)

    I still use Pagestream v4.1.5.6 Pro a lot on MorphOS under 68k emulation with Trance, but a native MorphOS version 5.x.x.x of Pagestream, with all the bugs that were so prevalent on the Windows, and Amiga releases will be a real PLUS for MorphOS.

    Thanks a lot Frank, and Deron, for persisting with re-invigorating this software back into life, after such a lot of inactivity. :bloons:

    I now am really a great deal more optimistic it will actually see the 'light-of-day'. 8-D
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10923 from 2003/5/22
    From: Germany
    > a native MorphOS version 5.x.x.x of Pagestream, with all the bugs that were so
    > prevalent on the Windows, and Amiga releases will be a real PLUS for MorphOS.

    ;-)
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    Everblue
    Posts: 162 from 2004/1/6
    Oh so it is happening. Niiice! Any screenshots?
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  • Order of the Butterfly
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    amiga4001
    Posts: 433 from 2006/11/16
    From: The Netherlands
    Yes !Pagestream.
    That's a program I will buy very usefull.
  • »14.10.15 - 06:31
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    guruman
    Posts: 455 from 2003/7/22
    I appreciate Yasu's report, and I really know how it is like when you are at a show with your own gear, I am just surprised that nobody else was able to give us a more comprehensive report so far... When I met Frank and Mark in the past I had the chance to talk quite a lot, and made some (I think) nice reports, and now... there were a dozen or so of MorphOS developers, things were shown (like PageStream 5) and mentioned, and people argue more about new slow and expensive motherboards announcements that are completely MorphOS unrelated...
    Actually, I would be more interested to know about the newer gfx board support mentioned here and there (new models? 2D and 3D acceleration? Overlay?) and other improvement in the OS we can expect in the foreseeable future, and I am pretty sure, from past experience, that the team members if asked would have gladly spilled some beans. ;)

    Kind regards,
    Andrea

    [ Edited by guruman 15.10.2015 - 01:06 ]
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22
    From: Stockholm, Sweden
    @gurumam

    Yeah, I wish that I did a better job myself.
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  • ASiegel
    Posts: 1214 from 2003/2/15
    From: Central Europe
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    guruman wrote:
    I am just surprised that nobody else was able to give us a more comprehensive report so far... When I met Frank and Mark in the past I had the chance to talk quite a lot, and made some (I think) nice reports, and now... there were a dozen or so of MorphOS developers, things were shown (like PageStream 5) and mentioned

    Just shows: If you want something to get done right, you have got to do it yourself ;-)

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    and people argue more about new slow and expensive motherboards announcements that are completely MorphOS unrelated...

    Even worse: Unreleased hardware that has not even been formally announced yet :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1391 from 2003/4/13
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    ASiegel wrote:
    Even worse: Unreleased hardware that has not even been formally announced yet :-)




    Even worse yet, people being upset at discussion of hardware demonstrated by a commercial entity at a computer show!
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  • Acolyte of the Butterfly
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    Sprocki
    Posts: 113 from 2005/2/23
    From: Berlin - Germany
    BTW: to those who remember the PegasosPPC shirt, I was happy to collect almost all signatures from the devs team at the show as I have never seen so many of them in one place before. Just ignore the bad quality of my camera, please.

    EDIT: the picture upload here is broken. I attached the picture with correct extension, type and file size but got the reply:

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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    redrumloa
    Posts: 1391 from 2003/4/13
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    Sprocki wrote:
    BTW: to those who remember the PegasosPPC shirt, I was happy to collect almost all signatures from the devs team at the show as I have never seen so many of them in one place before. Just ignore the bad quality of my camera, please.

    EDIT: the picture upload here is broken. I attached the picture with correct extension, type and file size but got the reply:

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    So I uploaded it to: http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4141/lzif8frt_jpg.htm


    That is awesome! I had one when I got my Peg1, but I wore it until it wore out and got holes. I wore it locally, where nobody had a clue what it meant :-/
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22
    From: Stockholm, Sweden
    We should have our own official MorphOS merchandice online store. I could do that and donate the surplus back to the community if I get enough funds :-)

    If it's at all of interest of course.
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  • Yokemate of Keyboards
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    Andreas_Wolf
    Posts: 10923 from 2003/5/22
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    > We should have our own official MorphOS merchandice online store.

    At least an inofficial one there is already:

    https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9447&forum=3&start=4 :-)
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  • Paladin of the Pegasos
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    Yasu
    Posts: 1724 from 2012/3/22
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    Yes, I know about those but I think it's not the same as a officially sanctioned store. But it's better than nothing of course :-)
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