>>> official Linux support for x1000

>> "The upstream kernel supports the Nemo board out of the box."
>> https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/linuxppc-dev/2021-November/236591.html

> Thanks for all the news

There's nothing new about that, X1000/Nemo has been supported in mainline for some years.

>>> Timberwolf completition

>> Are you serious?

> Very serious. [...] Friendens HQ public promise to fix it to FF16 [...].
> OS3, AROS and MOS port maybe too

It was FF19, and it wasn't a promise as I told you 6 years ago. FF19 is nearly a decade old now. It's ancient and won't work well with current web, even compared to what's there on OS4/AROS, let alone MorphOS.

> Tabor [...] look like viable targets for e.g. MOS PPC64 4.0

No, the QorIQ P1022's e500v2 core is only 32-bit. In addition, read and understand comment #7.

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It may not seem like it, but things have moved on since then. Even if the MorphOS kernel still supports 603/604 (which it should, but I'm not sure), loading Wayfarer for example on a CyberstormPPC would be absolute horror. PIO0 PATA IDE access, 128 MB max RAM, slow RAM speed, slow CPU, Cyberstorm being your fastest gfx option...

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> Even if the MorphOS kernel still supports 603/604
> (which it should, but I'm not sure)

As MorphOS 3.18 Beta was shown running on CSPPC, I guess it does.

> PIO0 PATA IDE access

CSPPC has Ultra Wide SCSI controller (40 MB/s with almost no CPU load).

> Cyberstorm being your fastest gfx option...

In case you mean CyberVisionPPC/Permedia2, the show machine was equipped with G-Rex and Voodoo3.

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Nobody makes SCSI hard drives any more Andreas. (Or converters from SAS or SATA to SCSI, for that matter.)

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Interesting - do these have MorphOS drivers?

Andreas, you're doing this again. Your answers contribute nothing but verbiage.

[ Edited by KennyR 22.10.2022 - 18:30 ]

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Even if SCSI hard drives aren't made anymore, I bet almost all CSPPC owners do have SCSI drive in their A4000s (which aren't made either) anyway :) Who would have sticked with IDE if they have that kind of accelerator? Also SCSI to IDE adapters (from Acard etc) were popular when people wanted bigger and cheaper HDs on their SCSI-Amigas.

>>> PIO0 PATA IDE access

>> CSPPC has Ultra Wide SCSI controller (40 MB/s with almost no CPU load).

> Nobody makes SCSI hard drives any more Andreas.

Nobody makes A4000s or CyberStormPPCs any more either, yet people do have them in their possession and do ask for recent MorphOS version for this hardware occasionally. Do you really believe they have a PATA drive on their A4000's onboard controller as the main drive when they have a UW SCSI controller on their CSPPC? And why should they want or need to buy a new SCSI hard drive for MorphOS instead of simply using their existing SCSI hard drive (or existing PATA/SATA hard drive with existing adapter), same as they want to use their existing A4000 and existing CSPPC with current MorphOS?

>>> Cyberstorm being your fastest gfx option...

>> the show machine was equipped with G-Rex and Voodoo3.

> do these have MorphOS drivers?

As the MorphOS Team showed MorphOS 3.18 Beta running on an A4000/CSPPC/G-Rex/Voodoo3 combination at Amiga 37 (and the respective MorphOS versions at previous Amiga 3x shows, which you are definitely aware of), as I wrote and as you can see (screenshot) when you click the links in the posting this thread was opened with, I think even you might be able to work out the answer yourself.

> Andreas, you're doing this again.

Absolutely, I'm not growing tired of correcting your counterfactual nonsense you have a habit of writing.

Not sure how and why it turned into this level of nonsense, but....

Still plenty of PuP/GRex based drivers in MorphOS and the Voodoo3 is the most obvious one (thats why it works in a PMac G4 despite no way to run it's x86 BIOS).

CPU wise the Efika is 603 based, has only 128MB and rather slow RAM and IDE. Yet it has no problems running MorphOS (as long as you don't try OWB/Wayfarer).

No it does not make any sense to run MorphOS on an A4000 when supported PPC Macs can still be had for small money thats why there is (IMO) no point in releasing it but also why it is kinda cool to showcase.

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But not tired of entirely missing the point.

Go ahead, run Wayfarer on your shitty 90s platform and see where you get.

k, I should have just said: this hardware is too old and nobody in the MorphOS team is going to bother with it any more.

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MorphOS has supported the "X5000/40" for like half a decade now. Should MorphOS ever *fully* go 64-bit and/or SMP, then bigfoot's new kernel will most certainly be used. This was shown publicly 3 years ago as a tech demo, running on an AMD Ryzen 5 computer in 64-bit native mode (running MorphOS as a mixture of native AMD64 code and existing PowerPC code). And while bigfoot has confirmed the kernel also runs on X5000 (in fact the X5000 was used during its development), I'd say that the moment a MorphOS "NG" beyond just the kernel would be SMP and/or 64-bit compatible, then both binary compatibility and source compatibility would have been sacrificed and MorphOS "NG" would be more like AROS in a sense, meaning that PPC (including "X5000/40") would be kind of pointless in the sense it would offer *nothing* value adding compared to modern X64 or ARM solutions.

> not tired of entirely missing the point.

You may try to make your point without including false claims for once.

> Go ahead, run Wayfarer on your shitty 90s platform and see where you get.

I sold my A4000 with CSPPC (and Acard AEC-7720UW) back in 2005. My PowerMac G5 is from the same year and runs Wayfarer just fine.

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The point was made and you have failed to rebut it.

There is nothing on these old boards that you can't do with the old MorphOS for Classic that you can do with 3.x, except things like Wayfarer that this hardware is simply too old for.

Even the Efika, which has the computing power of a retarded wristwatch, is at least a stationary target for the MorphOS developers. Practically every CPPC system was a Frankenstein monster of varying parts, the vendors of some of whom had no love for Phase5 at the time.

Edit: and NO, you still aren't going to get far with a 90s HDD even if it has a wide SCSI interface. Period.

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They're not even remotely comparable, and I'm not even going to bother to explain why as you'll just sit there and googlenitpick. Instead, let me just laugh aloud that you tried to compare a G5 (even running one CPU) to a CyberstormPPC.

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>> You may try to make your point without including false claims for once.

> The point was made and you have failed to rebut it.

No, I didn't fail to rebut your "point", simply because I never even attempted to rebut your "point". That's just some delusion in your head. What I tried to rebut and have been successful in rebuting are your two false claims in comment #11:

1. Users of A4000 equipped with a CSPPC, which has a UW SCSI controller, are restricted to "PIO0 PATA IDE access".
2. "Cyberstorm [sic] being your fastest gfx option" with an A4000+CSPPC.

In comment #13 you then showed no reluctance to make a fool of yourself by contending that owners of A4000+CSPPC, which stopped being made decades ago, were somehow hindered from running MorphOS 3.x for PowerUP (if released) from a UW-SCSI-connected hard drive by such hard drives (or adapters) not being made anymore. It really takes one special kind of reasoning to come to such conclusion and missing the unintentional hilarity in it.
Furthermore, you asked in comment #13 whether there were MorphOS drivers for hardware (G-Rex, Voodoo3) the MorphOS Team has just showcased recent MorphOS running on (as discussed early on in this thread and specifically told you in comment #12). This may be considered some kind of retarded humour at best.

> There is nothing on these old boards that you can't do with the old
> MorphOS for Classic that you can do with 3.x, except things like Wayfarer
> that this hardware is simply too old for.

Please take this up with Divinity and vox. They're the ones who asked for recent MorphOS to be released for PowerUP hardware. Contrary to what you seem to perceive, I didn't express my opinion on that in this thread.

> the Efika [...] is at least a stationary target [...]. Practically every
> CPPC system was a Frankenstein monster of varying parts [...].

Please take this up with Kronos. He's the one who dragged the Efika into this thread for comparison means (and managed to make purely factual claims, btw). You should know my low opinion of the Efika as a desktop platform quite well. Contrary to what you seem to perceive, I didn't express my opinion on that in this thread.

> you still aren't going to get far with a 90s HDD even if it has a wide SCSI interface.

I used a 2000s PATA HDD connected via Acard AEC-7720UW on my A4000/CSPPC and it got me to 36 MB/s raw speed, which I think even MorphOS 3.x (i.e. the slim OS itself, and even most of its applications) would be fine with. There are numerous shortcomings with attempting to use PowerUP hardware for "Amiga" desktop computing today, but the storage interface (especially on CSPPC) is way down below on that list.

>>> Go ahead, run Wayfarer on your shitty 90s platform and see where you get.

>> I sold my A4000 with CSPPC (and Acard AEC-7720UW) back in 2005.
>> My PowerMac G5 is from the same year and runs Wayfarer just fine.

> They're not even remotely comparable

Nobody claimed they were.

> you tried to compare a G5 (even running one CPU) to a CyberstormPPC.

I didn't. It's just your reading comprehension issues that make you think I did. In actual fact, I tried to clarify your fallacy that I wanted to run Wayfarer "on your shitty 90s platform". As I've not owned such platform for many years (and have no intention of changing that), there's simply no way for me to do what you suggest. My only way to run Wayfarer is on my G5, hence its mention.

> Some PPC32 emu or compatibility layer could be done, like PPC64 does.

The API/ABI incompatibility between current MorphOS and a potential MorphOS NG wouldn't just be about the instruction/address width.

> I am glad my "farsight" is right, next MOS will be PPC64 also.

Huh? Did I miss something?

> I will insta buy AMD64 license, be it that my board is supported and nVIDIA gfx.

I think you can scrap that, on both accounts.

> Tabor [...]. Please support this as cheapest NG hardware

Trevor said at Amiga 37 that due to the world-wide circumstances, final Tabor/A1222 will have to be sold in the Sam460 price range, which means about twice the price it was originally announced at.

> its kinnky CPU (Trevors knows how to get dem fi sure!)

Trevor said at Amiga 37 that the P1022 price has almost quadrupled due to the world-wide circumstances as well as decreasing availability, but which luckily won't affect the project as he had purchased 1000 units in 2014/2015 (old, long-known story). I'm not sure Trevor will produce more boards after selling those 1000 boards (if they even sell out, that is) as that would require him to buy more P1022 units.

> Nemo [...] no distro supported tricky BAT CD Boot
> of x1000 so all install have to be done manually.

https://fienixppc.blogspot.com/p/cfe.html doesn't read too complicated.

> with 603 and 64MB RAM

It's not that bad. CSPPC (604e) supports 128 MiB RAM, BPPC (603e) even 256 MiB.

> gfx card at best

Recent MorphOS likely won't work without graphics card. And really, who has a PowerUP accelerator in his Amiga but no graphics card? Next time some lunatic comes along and says that PowerUP users make no use of their (UW/Fast-)SCSI interface ;-)

> OS4 Classic users face the same. Good thing is it can be ran in UAE now :)

And MorphOS (as well as OS4) can be run in QEMU :-)

> original Linux arch m68k

m68k was only the 2nd ISA Linux ran on.

I think there is a misunderstanding, sorry, let me explain
I happily use MorphOS in four Mac G5 and G4 and in three Pegasos II G4 and G3, but since I also have the A4000 with cyberstormppc I would like to be able to use MorphOS even with this old hardware in a more modern version than 1.4.5 because there are some old Warp3D software and other simple stuff that would be more comfortable for me to use with this A4000 rather than loading them from AmigaOS3.9
With cyberstormppc I use a couple of uwscsi HDs that still work very well and have a good capacity just over 30gb
I have no interest in using Wayfarer with A4000, also because I use it well with my G5 and G4 systems
If it were possible to use MorphOS 3.18 also with cyberstormppc I would be very pleased and if it were free and with no time limits (30 minutes or two hours) I would be even more so

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> there are some old Warp3D software [...] that would be more comfortable
> for me to use with this A4000 rather than loading them from AmigaOS3.9

Regarding old Warp3D software, there will be TinyRave for your MorphOS machines with R300+ GPU :-)

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Wouldn't like to continue with this, but just curious why do you think people would restrict to 90s HDDs? There are newer (UW) SCSI HDDs with good capacity, and as said several times, with adapters you can get newer/bigger/cheaper devices connected too.

For example, I have IBM Ultrastar 18 GB SCSI HDD in my A1200 and I think it's from 2003 or so, my Peg1 has WD 320 GB PATA HDD from late 00s which would work in my SCSI setup just fine with an adapter. I also have a SCA adapter to connect newer standard SCSI devices to an older bus. I don't know if there'd be any issues connecting these more modern SSDs that we use on PPC Macs either?

> There are newer (UW) SCSI HDDs with good capacity [...].

Absolutely. To my surprise, I just found that there still are HDDs newly available (in EU/UK) that can be directly attached to the 68-pin UW SCSI connector of the CSPPC, i.e. without adapter. They are of the U320 type, so use LVD, but can usually be put into SE mode by either auto-detection or jumper setting and thus work on CSPPC's UW SCSI controller*. These drives are from 2008 or older and range up to 300 GB:

https://www.heise.de/preisvergleich/eu/?cat=hde7s&xf=1080_LVD#productlist


* random references:
https://forum.amiga.org/index.php?topic=41779
https://forum.amiga.org/index.php?topic=41443.msg455910#msg455910
https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=325332
https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1551368

over 1000 people attended??? WOW! I wish I could go to one of these. What are the attendance numbers for Amiwest?

> CFE bugfix

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=55&topic_id=12151&start=131

> Libre Office beta

"Dickinson has now received a video showing the current state of the LibreOffice port from the responsible programmer Hans-Jörg Frieden, which he will publish as part of his next blog entry. The AmigaOS 4 implementation has been "completely revised" again, the betatesting will start "soon". "
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2022-10-00104-EN.html

Not sure if the complete revision refers to changing the base of the port to the Android version as mentioned 4 years ago, or something else.

> I can confirm that there will be no MorphOS support for the Tabor board.

"[...] will the AmigaOne A1222+ eventually run MorphOS [...]?
For MorphOS, we don't yet have confirmation, but this should be the case as for the AmigaOne X5020 and X5040. ;)"
http://obligement.free.fr/articles_traduction/itwlaurentzorawski_en.php

;-)

So someone not even involved makes a vague statement based on wishful thinking.

It is simple:
- if Tabor had been released 8 years ago at the announced price ($300) with a non braindead SoC
----> a MorphOS would have made perfect sense
- if Tabor was released today with a <$500 price tag and non braindead SoC
----> a MorphOS would have been welcomed
- if Tabor was released today with at the current $1500 price tag and non braindead SoC
----> if bigfoot and cyfm are bored as hell, sure why not

- Tabor in 2015 at $300 with that braindead SoC
----> not viable HW for a port, but might be fun to watch the other side take it on
- Tabor today at $500 with that braindead SoC
----> a freak show not any different than anything OS4 in the past 22 years
- Tabor today at $1500 with that braindead SoC
----> the stupidity of everyone involved hurts worse than a kick in the ......

> So someone not even involved makes a vague statement
> based on wishful thinking.

They're involved in selling the Tabor/A1222, so may have an interest in pretending there's a possibility for MorphOS coming to it. For some users, the prospect of having both OS4 and MorphOS on one machine might console them for the steep price increase. It has no significantly worse price-performance ratio than Sam460LE anyway. And they will want to sell ~1000 of them, after all ;-)

> the announced price ($300)

The announced price I remember was "below 400 Euro", which translated to ~440 USD back then.