What happened to original MorphOS goals?
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    What ever the reasons behind the name choice, it was a brilliant choice.

    I like to think of it as a Morph from what "Was" to "The Possibility of what is Yet to Come". Building on the strengths of the AmigaOS and taking it to a higher use and functionality.

    Of course, AmigaOS4.x is aiming for the same target, to improve on the last Classic AmigaOS while also making it PPC native.

    I am glad we have both, as competition is a good motivation thing for both teams.
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    I think this "ssolie" must be now a very happy person, because he's getting a surprising lot of attention, even from members of the MorphOS team themselves.
    It's a pity that questions themselves aren't interesting.
    But it brings good old memories to me, when I was a simple die-hard amigan, and liked to poke in the eye everyone, just to ease my frustration.
    Funny how time passes. Am I a better person now, or simply an old fart who doesn't fancy hard discussions any longer?
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    Hard discussions? Where?
    Go look up ANN archives if you want to remember how hard (and fun) a discussion can be.
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    You made tens of thousands of euros so far (according to Darth_X) and I expect you will be making tens of thousands of more euros when 3.0 is released. I'm talking about your entire development team. The fact you personally didn't take any of the money is irrelevent. You are a part of the team and therefore you are also responsible for taking the money as much as anybody else on the team; hobby or not.

    I don't know where Darth_X is getting these numbers from, but all I can say is that the money is spent on new HW, hosting the websites and such (these things cost money). If you have trouble with this, who the feck cares? I don't. The rest of the team probably has even less interest. We could be spending the money on booze and girls and it would still be none of your business.

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    I can do whatever I want to do and you can do nothing to stop it.

    It was a (supposedly) polite request. You are of course free to ignore it if you wish.

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    I'm not whining.

    I think you are.

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    I'm asking questions.

    They have been answered. You don't seem to like the answers though.

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    It seems they are rather uncomfortable questions given the personal attacks I'm getting the more I ask them.

    Or perhaps because being an ass usually triggers a similar responses from others.

    [ Edited by Piru on 2009/3/6 14:37 ]
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    Henes wrote:
    Hard discussions? Where?
    Go look up ANN archives if you want to remember how hard (and fun) a discussion can be.
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:

    ... the name 'MorphOS' had been chosen because "the AmigaOS emulation task gives the OS another appearance". The 'Morph' part of the name didn't have anything to do with the butterfly genus



    Thank for pointing out this interview. Nice to know what pega-1 said about the naming of the system...

    Anyway, I still think my assumption of the "morphing" thing is, at least, as much enjoyable... ;-)


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    Henes wrote:

    Go look up ANN archives if you want to remember how hard (and fun) a discussion can be.
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    jcmarcos wrote:
    I think this "ssolie" must be now a very happy person, because he's getting a surprising lot of attention, even from members of the MorphOS team themselves.
    It's a pity that questions themselves aren't interesting.


    Oh, but isn't it clear why he's here? Either is the Friedens about to launch their own "box" concept, and he is here trying to convince us how much we really need and want SMP etc outside the Amiga environment, or he is simply here to troll. No matter which it is, the way he does it is pretty lame IMHO. "Not interesting" you say, I would call it outright boring, and when he completely disregard all replies it even gets a bit embarrassing.
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    > ann.lu was always a brilliant place.

    Yes, at least until C. Kemp decided for registered postings only. That was the beginning of ANN's end.
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    Andreas_Wolf wrote:
    > ann.lu was always a brilliant place.

    Yes, at least until C. Kemp decided for registered postings only. That was the beginning of ANN's end.


    ANN.lu didn't shut down because of lack of interest from visitors, there were other reasons behind (more or less personal). But I agree that the registration was an annoyance. There is always room for a 100% free forum, as moobunny is an example of. :-)
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    The fact you personally didn't take any of the money is irrelevent. You are a part of the team and therefore you are also responsible for taking the money as much as anybody else on the team; hobby or not.



    It seems you are unhappy about this. Feel free to express your ideas.
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  • »07.03.09 - 10:32
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    Should also remind that from release notes page (2.0, 2.1 and 2.2) and from an introduction page users can review MorphOS 2 features before trying it out. They can try free demo before purchasing their own key or just use MorphOS 1 (Pegasos and Amiga/PowerUp) for free. Even OWB runs on MorphOS 1 with some features disabled.
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    It is your hobby. But the second you start taking serious cash and hiding behind a veil of secrecy it becomes more than just a hobby. Your team should really do some soul searching as to why the secret society thing is still continuing in this day and age of openness. Talk to your users. Interact with those that have given you thousands of hard earned euros. No, I haven't invested in MorphOS yet but it could happen if you guys opened up a bit and acted a bit more impartial and friendly and added the features I want to see (i.e. first post).
    Wow.. wished I'd read this a little sooner.

    Perhaps the person needing to do some "soul searching" is you.

    I originally thought that the registration cost of MorphOS was a little high. But then take a look at the number of people who contribute to it and it really doesn't seem like much. (Seriously.. there must be close to 20 people listed as being members of development. You start dividing up the $190US cost of a registration and one has to wonder where this "taking serious cash" comes from.. It certainly isn't earned from MorphOS.)

    Why would a-box be current focus? Take a look around. I'm sure it's a combination of what developers want to work on and what registering customers are interested in.

    If these guys didn't have an interest in doing what they do, they wouldn't be here. They certainly are not in it for the money.. (Same as any other niche market for that matter.)
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    To be any good ABox had to be finished first, and be of high quality. That took a very long time.


    But now it is quite finished, and of good quality (Who did imagine compositing back in 2002 ?), right ?

    So has the QBox idea totally vanished (because of the unexpected things you mention) ? Or can we expect QBox ?
    Nothing hurts a project more than developers not taking the time to let their community know what is going on.
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    Leo wrote:
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    To be any good ABox had to be finished first, and be of high quality. That took a very long time.


    But now it is quite finished, and of good quality (Who did imagine compositing back in 2002 ?), right ?

    So has the QBox idea totally vanished (because of the unexpected things you mention) ? Or can we expect QBox ?


    Personally, I'd rather see the time and effort spent on a fork into ARM territory...
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    Any particular reason you'd prefer ARM over x86(-64)?
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    Golem wrote:
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    Any particular reason you'd prefer ARM over x86(-64)?



    Yes, the ARM architecture is widely used in low performance, low cost, high volume consumer electronics devices, a context in which I feel MorphOS can make sense and perhaps even find a commercial future. So if MorphOS is to migrate or fork to another architecture (which could become necessary at one point, given the current status of the PPC evolution), I think ARM would be the best choice.
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    takemehomegrandma wrote:
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    Golem wrote:
    @takemehomegrandma

    Any particular reason you'd prefer ARM over x86(-64)?



    Yes, the ARM architecture is widely used in low performance, low cost, high volume consumer electronics devices, a context in which I feel MorphOS can make sense and perhaps even find a commercial future. So if MorphOS is to migrate or fork to another architecture (which could become necessary at one point, given the current status of the PPC evolution), I think ARM would be the best choice.


    That's what I've been thinking lately. I would love an ARM Morphos netbook to replace my EeePC. Power consumption would be less and performance "feel" would be greater. At least that's what I'd hope.
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    > ANN.lu didn't shut down because of lack of interest from visitors

    C. Kemp told:

    "At its peak, several years ago, ANN welcomed over 3000 visitors a day, but this number gradually declined as more and more people left the Amiga scene [...] I completely switched over to the x86 platform six years ago already, and my interest in all things Amiga declined ever since. By 2006, that interest had vanished completely, and judging by the visitor figures on ANN I'm not the only one who feels that way."

    So as it seems, "lack of interest from visitors" was among the reasons for ANN's closure.

    > I agree that the registration was an annoyance.

    Yes, many people felt that way and avoided visiting ANN as regularly as before, leading to the decreasing visitor figures C. Kemp told about.
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    Can someone copy/paste this topic to AMigaworld.net and delete it here.
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    Can someone copy/paste this topic to AMigaworld.net and delete it here.

    The topic is MorphOS. This web site is called MorphZone. Would you rather we discuss the latest version of Microsoft Windows or something?
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    ssolie wrote:
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    Can someone copy/paste this topic to AMigaworld.net and delete it here.

    The topic is MorphOS. This web site is called MorphZone. Would you rather we discuss the latest version of Microsoft Windows or something?


    :-?
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    Would you rather we discuss the latest version of Microsoft Windows or something?

    Perhaps that would be more familiar territory for you?
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    Can someone copy/paste this topic to AMigaworld.net and delete it here.


    Perhaps you should get out more, no one is forcing you to participate or even read this thread.

    Where are all those who used to bash AW for their moderation policies? Why don't you stand up here?
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    In this thread I have to defend ssolie. MorphOS Team and its members seems to be bound to be silent. Instead of answering, you make people attack people for no reason. ssolie is asking here about whats the goals are for MorphOS and why the original path have been changed so much.

    Maybe what MorphOS Team members is really saying here in a context is that they should get paid, but they dont. Wasnt the key with Genesi and bbrv that you didnt get paid? Is it better that you dont get paid at all, but everything goes to laire himself?

    I am not you, so I dont know. But I would feel terrible. Nice to see that you want to work for free. You get atleast MorphOS for free atleast I think?

    Anyway. I think that ssolie isnt doing anything than asking. Try to atleast behave towards Amiga people. This is not the way to win users to this platform. Everyone is different and should be respected for what they write. If topic is MorphOS, theres no need for personal attacks.

    Be nice.
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    Actually it looks like you're just choosing to ignore the same answers as ssolie, congratulations. Maybe you could tell us what you would like the answers to be.
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