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Kronos

# 38
Moderator

Posts: 2355 from 2003/2/24
Quote:

Kronos wrote:

- ability to use the 2nd 128MB bank of a 256MB Radeon9250 as "slow" RAM

Mmmmm, just got this in mail:

Code:
```
Radeon 52.6 
  - added new tooltype option MEM_SPARE2SYS=(YES|NO) to add unused memory 
    (due to MEM_LIMIT) to system memory list

Radeon 52.5
 - added new tooltype option MEM_LIMIT to manually reduce the available graphics
   memory (min is 8MB, unit is MB)
```
Which is supposed to be 10+ years old (*shrug* shows how little I've bothered with the EFIKA over the last 19years...).
Does work with 3.18 and a 128MB 9250 with VMEM limited to either 16 or 64MB.
How much it adds on a 2x128MB card is something I'd have to test elsewhere as none of the 256MB cards I have fit into the OG EFIKA case.
»12.01.25 - 20:12

sailor

# 39
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 398 from 2019/5/9

From: Central Bohemi...
Quote:
Kronos wrote:
Quote:

Kronos wrote:

- ability to use the 2nd 128MB bank of a 256MB Radeon9250 as "slow" RAM

Mmmmm, just got this in mail:

Code:
```
Radeon 52.6 
  - added new tooltype option MEM_SPARE2SYS=(YES|NO) to add unused memory 
    (due to MEM_LIMIT) to system memory list

Radeon 52.5
 - added new tooltype option MEM_LIMIT to manually reduce the available graphics
   memory (min is 8MB, unit is MB)
```
Which is supposed to be 10+ years old (*shrug* shows how little I've bothered with the EFIKA over the last 19years...).
Does work with 3.18 and a 128MB 9250 with VMEM limited to either 16 or 64MB.
How much it adds on a 2x128MB card is something I'd have to test elsewhere as none of the 256MB cards I have fit into the OG EFIKA case.
Oh, it look very nice! More than that! Thanks for sharing!
It is tooltype option to Monitor icon?
And is it really works? Why I never hear about it? Even in 2023 I wrote article about Efika, mention there terrible low memory and nobody corrects me...

I will try over weekend ( some computers I have now blocked by Christmas decoration - Bethelem )

[ Edited by sailor 13.01.2025 - 13:23 ]
AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, Sam460LE, AmigaOneX1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Sam460LE, Pegasos II, Powerbook G4, Mac Mini, iMac G5, Powermac G5 Quad
»13.01.25 - 12:21

Kronos

# 40
Moderator

Posts: 2355 from 2003/2/24

Quote:

sailor wrote:

Oh, it look very nice! More than that! Thanks for sharing!
It is tooltype option to Monitor icon?

Yep, remember you need to set both tooltypes to make it work.
And recheck after a OS update I'd guess (since it is in MOSSYS:)

Quote:

And is it really works? Why I never hear about it? Even in 2023 I wrote article about Efika, mention there terrible low memory and nobody corrects me...

Dunno, something along the lines of implemented mid beta cycle, tooltypes not getting added () to the icon and forgotten by the time the release notes got written up.
»13.01.25 - 13:00

sailor

# 41
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 398 from 2019/5/9

From: Central Bohemi...
I just now checked MorphOS release notes and there is only mentioned this memory saving parameter:
Code:
```
Added support for low memory footprint, automatically enabled if available video memory is larger than available system memory or overruled by tooltype LOWMEMORYPROFILE=(YES|NO). Reduces system memory usage, enabled on EFIKA by default.
```
No other note about Efika or VideoRAM upgrade.

So after weekend I will let know!
AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, Sam460LE, AmigaOneX1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Sam460LE, Pegasos II, Powerbook G4, Mac Mini, iMac G5, Powermac G5 Quad
»13.01.25 - 13:30

koszer

# 42
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1253 from 2004/2/8

From: Poland

Quote:

sailor wrote:
So after weekend I will let know!

I've made a test on a Mac Mini G4 (with abysmal 32 MB of VRAM that I've decided to cut to mere 8 MB with MEM_LIMIT=8)
It worked, as I got only 8 MB after restart (and half of it was already eaten by Ambient).

As for MEM_SPARE2SYS - it seems it worked too!
Avail command fresh after restart and with the same screen depth (16 bit) gives me 979380040 total bytes without MEM_SPARE2SYS and 1004475016 bytes with MEM_SPARE2SYS enabled. So all the "spare" VMEM 24 MB went straight into main RAM pool!
»14.01.25 - 13:17

Amigaharry2

# 43
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1295 from 2010/1/6

From: EU-Austria (Wien)

Impressiv - works on EFIKA too!!
Reduced VMEM from 128MB to 32MB - gives that ~143MB free RAM (after booting complete)!.
If this workes with a 256MB-Radion as well, I've to look for some...

[ Editiert durch Amigaharry2 14.01.2025 - 16:18 ]
Peg2, 3xPowerMac G5, 2xPowerbookG4, 2x MacMiniG4, Efika (again), A3000T and life is never boring.....
»14.01.25 - 15:16

Amigaharry2

# 44
Paladin of the Pegasos

Posts: 1295 from 2010/1/6

From: EU-Austria (Wien)

First time I brought up OWB on EFIKA - very slow (400MHz!!) but works!

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[ Editiert durch Amigaharry2 14.01.2025 - 17:09 ]
Peg2, 3xPowerMac G5, 2xPowerbookG4, 2x MacMiniG4, Efika (again), A3000T and life is never boring.....
»14.01.25 - 15:43

Kronos

# 45
Moderator

Posts: 2355 from 2003/2/24

Quote:

Amigaharry2 wrote:

If this workes with a 256MB-Radion as well, I've to look for some...

256MB cards seen as 128MB are still seen as 128MB card (just tested on Peg2).

Oh, and don't try this on a G5 as it will(might) lead to a non booting system.

My guess is that it fails to add the RAM to system already maxed out on memory (got 2.5GB installed).
Might also be an issue on 2GB G4 PowerBooks and PMac.
»14.01.25 - 16:29

sailor

# 46
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 398 from 2019/5/9

From: Central Bohemi...

Quote:

koszer wrote:I've made a test on a Mac Mini G4 (with abysmal 32 MB of VRAM that I've decided to cut to mere 8 MB with MEM_LIMIT=8)
It worked, as I got only 8 MB after restart (and half of it was already eaten by Ambient).

As for MEM_SPARE2SYS - it seems it worked too!
Avail command fresh after restart and with the same screen depth (16 bit) gives me 979380040 total bytes without MEM_SPARE2SYS and 1004475016 bytes with MEM_SPARE2SYS enabled. So all the "spare" VMEM 24 MB went straight into main RAM pool!

Quote:

Amigaharry2 wrote:
Impressiv - works on EFIKA too!!
Reduced VMEM from 128MB to 32MB - gives that ~143MB free RAM (after booting complete)!.
If this workes with a 256MB-Radion as well, I've to look for some...

That are great news! ( old news, of course, but for me are new! )
So now with my 466 MHz Efika will be nearly super-computer.
AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, Sam460LE, AmigaOneX1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Sam460LE, Pegasos II, Powerbook G4, Mac Mini, iMac G5, Powermac G5 Quad
»14.01.25 - 16:33

Andreas_Wolf

# 47
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12225 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> old news, of course, but for me are new!

As for anyone except MorphOS Team members and maybe beta testers ;-)
»14.01.25 - 19:36

eliot

# 48
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 600 from 2004/4/15

My wishes would be:

- updated Sdk
- ipv6 support
- updated gfx drivers
- opengles support

and at any time: move to Raspberry
regards
eliot
»15.01.25 - 09:17

polluks

# 49
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 813 from 2007/10/23

From: Gelsenkirchen,...

Quote:

Kronos schrieb:
Quote:

Amigaharry2 wrote:

If this workes with a 256MB-Radion as well, I've to look for some...

256MB cards seen as 128MB are still seen as 128MB card (just tested on Peg2).

How about using AddMemList()? There's physical memory nevertheless.
Pegasos II G4: MorphOS 3.9, Zalman M220W · ~~iMac G5 12,1 17", MorphOS 3.18~~
Power Mac G3: OSX 10.3 · PowerBook 5,8: OSX 10.5, MorphOS 3.18
»15.01.25 - 11:10

Cool_amigaN

# 50
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 768 from 2011/11/30

Quote:

Kronos wrote:
Quote:

Amigaharry2 wrote:

If this workes with a 256MB-Radion as well, I've to look for some...

256MB cards seen as 128MB are still seen as 128MB card (just tested on Peg2).

Oh, and don't try this on a G5 as it will(might) lead to a non booting system.

My guess is that it fails to add the RAM to system already maxed out on memory (got 2.5GB installed).
Might also be an issue on 2GB G4 PowerBooks and PMac.

Nope, if the Radeon has two seperate physical ram banks (128MB each), chances are that it will work. Mine it's this way and is seen as 256MB on a Sawtooth G4 AGP (9800 XT or Pro can't remember - flashed). I bought it from US especially for this reason about a decade or so ago.
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»15.01.25 - 12:00

Andreas_Wolf

# 51
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12225 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

>> 256MB cards seen as 128MB are still seen as 128MB card
>> (just tested on Peg2).

> Nope

Well, Kronos wrote that he actually tested it on his setup.

> if the Radeon has two seperate physical ram banks (128MB each),
> chances are that it will work. Mine it's this way and is seen as 256MB

Then yours is obviously one of those 256 MiB cards that are fully recognized by MorphOS (linear 256 MiB aperture despite two banks), and not one of those 256 MiB cards that are seen as 128 MiB card (two 128 MiB apertures), which is what Kronos referred to.
»15.01.25 - 13:43

sailor

# 52
Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 398 from 2019/5/9

From: Central Bohemi...

Quote:

Cool_amigaN wrote:
Nope, if the Radeon has two seperate physical ram banks (128MB each), chances are that it will work. Mine it's this way and is seen as 256MB on a Sawtooth G4 AGP (9800 XT or Pro can't remember - flashed). I bought it from US especially for this reason about a decade or so ago.

And are there any R200 card, with memory 256 MB visible on MorphOS? Like 9250, 9200 ( Pro ) ...
Please, if anybody has it and tested, share it here exact type.

If we want to use it with Efika, is better that cards has power less than 25 W ( Efika has PCI under AGP ). 9800 XT is too powerful for Efika and need powered PCI-AGP adapter.
AmigaOS3: Amiga 1200
AmigaOS4: Micro A1-C, AmigaOne XE, Pegasos II, Sam440ep, Sam440ep-flex, Sam460LE, AmigaOneX1000
MorphOS: Efika 5200b, Pegasos I, Sam460LE, Pegasos II, Powerbook G4, Mac Mini, iMac G5, Powermac G5 Quad
»17.01.25 - 07:50

matt3

# 53
Priest of the Order of the Butterfly

Posts: 708 from 2004/2/10

1. Recurring meetings in Iris.
2. Good native spreadsheet be released.
3. Some MODs added to Q2.
4. Update for PageStream to fix small issues.
»17.01.25 - 10:09

Andreas_Wolf

# 54
Yokemate of Keyboards

Posts: 12225 from 2003/5/22

From: Germany

> are there any R200 card, with memory 256 MB visible on MorphOS?

Existence of R200 cards with linear 256 MiB aperture was confirmed no later than 2010 (#3, 2nd link therein (#65)).

MorphOS 3.0 release notes from 2012 read:
"Enabled full 256MB on cards offering a 256MB aperture."

As this note mentions no restriction to any Radeon GPU generation, there's no reason to assume it not being valid for R200 as well. So in conclusion, since MorphOS 3.0 there're R200 cards with 256 MiB VRAM usable on MorphOS.
»17.01.25 - 11:23