Hi,
Would a SSD Drive work in macmini and would it benifit from any speed increase

thx

i use a pata SSD in my mac mini for several months now and yes, it does increases the boot time and applications loading comapred to a HD. But between 0,5s ad 0,2s is your brain fast enough to notice ? : )
the cool thing is that it's totally silent.

> it does increases the boot time and applications loading comapred to a HD.

Really the time? Or rather the speed?

speed, thanks for pointing out my clumsy english.

Can you post a bench of your harddrive ?

thanks

I think i will try a SSD drive out.
I replaced the original drive with a samsung 7200rpm but thats quite loud,
The other thing is the fan noise on the 1.5ghz anyone know if i could use a peltier cooler with a heatsink or would just a big heatsink be ok to cool the chip

i dont mind re-housing the board, a while ago i saw a website where someone had done that with a normal size dvd-rom unit(my slim rom only reads dvd disks) if anyone know the site i cant find it now i want to look at it again

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The difference is for sure bigger. I guess you are using SFS and SFS tends to fragment the drive data a lot, which causes the system to slow down. On mini the ide hardware is faster than on other MorphOS hardware, so the effects won?t take place that fast.

Using an SSD removes the entire fragmentation problem and compared with the seek times the speed increase is quite noticable.

You simply just didn?t had a fragmented ide harddrive in mini to compare it with SSD usage. When updating MorphOS several times a week, this IS a big problem.

Geit

@geit

makes sense to me : )

how can i measure the speed under morphos ? i don't remember.
so i can post the results here.

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Maybe the onboard ide is faster than other morphos machines but ide hard disk supplied with macminis are a bit slow.

After discovering my rather new installation of MorphOS was pretty fragmented (slow favicon loading, webpage stuttering), I did a full-on de-frag (something I've NEVER done on AmigaOS in several incarnations). My question: Just how often should I be de-fragging the drive?

TJH

SFS usually doesn't need defragmentation. However, it tends to fragment a lot if you disk is mostly full (> 90%). You could probably just increase the disk's buffers to avoid any slowdown.

> Maybe the onboard ide is faster than other morphos machines

Both Mac mini G4 and Pegasos have Ultra ATA/100.

> but ide hard disk supplied with macminis are a bit slow.

Nevertheless the Mac mini seems to outperform the Pegasos IDE-wise.

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6489&forum=3&start=20#67179

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Well, I can only report that from my sight. e.g. on Efika loading of sputnik took suddenly about 30 seconds only due frequently updating the system. This may not happen to a user system, but when dealing with SDK and tons of small files, it for sure causes a massive slowdown even on pegasos.

if the system was only updated e.g. 4 times since 2.0 came out, this probably has not noticable effect on usage and boot times.

Geit

@geit

wasnt it you that re-cased a macmini soldered normal size rom unit to the mini's ?....

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Nice... but imagine if minis come at least with a 5200 or 7200rpm

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No, I am against modifing such system, as its perfect in size and style as it is. If you want a proper "mini" to modify get an eMac. It supports 3.5" drives and is easy to dismantle and rebuild into another case.

It also supports 2GB of Memory, which is increasing the OSX speed more than a faster CPU.

Geit

@kickstart

it depends on the Mac mini used... older (e.g. 1,25 GHz) versions have a 4200rpm 40gb drive, and newer versions have a 5400rpm 80gb drive.

/me is using a 320gb 5400rpm drive in his Mac mini, and i don't need a faster one (not for MorphOS),

[ Edited by analogkid on 2010/3/31 16:06 ]

yeah it's still a better idea to get a 7200rpm drive than a SSD. i had the opportunity to get this SSD for cheap otherwise i wouldn't have bought it, there is not much benefit for a ssd in a macmini, especially as pata SSDs can't be compared to what the latest sata SSDs can achieve these days (if you're rich).
There's also the drive noise that could make you choose a SSD, but after all, the Macmini cpu fan is covering most of the HD noise...

@SoundSquare

So do you have any comparison of 7200 rpm drives vs. current 5400 rpm drives?

@golem
i don't, but let's make some i we can find someone with a 7200rpm drive: )


i wasn't answered before, is there a simple shell method to make hard drive speed measures under morphos ?

> imagine if minis come at least with a 5200 or 7200rpm

Huh? If you had even read the link you quoted and commented, you'd know that it indeed refers to a test done with a 5400 rpm HDD Mac mini.

As for the "5200" value, you're still the funny guy from December:

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6743&forum=11&start=20#68974

Yeah im still the same "funny" guy... my mind go to 5200 number for unknow reasons, dont need to explain me that in your link test is made with a 5400 one, but im talking about my mac mini... chill this is just a forum.

> older (e.g. 1,25 GHz) versions have a 4200rpm 40gb drive, and newer versions
> have a 5400rpm 80gb drive.

It's not that simple. 1.25 and 1.33 GHz versions came with 40 GB or (as BTO option) 80 GB drive, whereas 1.42 and 1.5 GHz versions came only with 80 GB drive.

> dont need to explain me that in your link test is made with a 5400 one, but
> im talking about my mac mini

Then you should have written "my mini", not "minis". Written conversation is easier if one actually writes what he means instead of relying on other's capabilities in mind reading.

> let's make some i we can find someone with a 7200rpm drive: )

See 14 posts above yours :-)