@HammerD

I just disable paste operation to root view since it does nothing but copies files to RAM DISK instead

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Good idea, really.

Here are more ideas for promotion but some of them are implementable only after some rough edges are gone and some stuff is more seamless. Otherwise they can backfire.

- create nice promotion material (promo): a CD with ISO and some elegant glossy binder stating the slogan (Lightning OS?) and the key advantages
- send promo to prominent publishers of blogs and hardware/os review sites
- send promo to universities and give discounts to students (this was mentioned here)
- give discount to people who buy multiple copies (this was mentioned too)
- create a bounty to buy ads (paper magazines, internet banners) space for the next major release
- create an official MorphOS YouTube channel and put videos there that show OS in the best light (like the video from the jPV's article)
- create a simple but effective and intriguing flyer and distribute it on computer shows
- have a bounty for a booth on a computer show, a small booth with a big plasma screen (this stuff is all rentable) to show off the system. Distribute flyers, pens, other memorabilia with MorphOS logo to the attendants
- investigate possibilities to distribute the flyer to subscribers of magazines which have readership population which can consider switching (initially some geeky Linux and Hacker magazines but more mainstream later)

I understand the ISO is downloadable but there is just something in having a nice CD in a nice binder, especially for promo.

However, the biggest current obstacle for promotion, as I see it now, is the hardware which is hard to come buy. I am not saying it's bad or obsolete (far from it!). It's just harder to buy than what's current.

I almost think some kind of a parallel quasi-hardware company which would acquire and recycle PowerPC Apple hardware should be set up jointly to help this. Most of the people who get the impulse to try it won't be able to run the OS immediately at on their existing Intel hardware and once the impulse is over it's harder to convince them to give it a try later.

[ Edited by mihailod on 2010/1/15 17:05 ]

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Aha. So "Paste" and "Paste" into could easily have been merged, so that a "paste into" occurs when a drawer/disk icon is selected? Does it also work with multiple targets, so that whatever is copied ends up in all selected drawers/disks? (I don't have the mac here to try, and the peg is in pieces)

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I actually think default is correct behaviour, copy if destination is on a different filesystem, move if it's not. Just like C:Rename.
Is user not supposed what filesystems there are?

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Ah, I see - you obviously never moved on beyond OS3.1.

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Yes, and come to think of it, Workbench does this, just press right amiga button when you drop and it will copy, even when it's on the same filesystem.

And Ambient does it while pressing alt.

Ah, i just checked it and i see Tools menu in Ambient (Narzedzia in Polish). http://korni.ovh.org/temp/Ambient_Tools_menu.png

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What is default behaviour? I tried to google for an answer but found nothing. And is it the same in other desktops?

I didnt know you force Workbench to move files by pressing right command. Or was it to copy files? I already forgot.

If I am using cut/copy/paste it always does what I want to.

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I know Workbench 3.5 added an abort button to copy/move operation. Does not change much, though. It still can not calculate MD5 checksum for you, it still can not retrieve version information for you, it still does not have a toolbar, you still can not enter path manually from a keyboard, it can not even split long filenames properly to multiple lines, it still can not eject your DVD, lasso implementation is still blocking one, you still can not redefine keyboard shortcuts, you still can not have bookmarks and finally if you make a shortcut to the desktop its icon disappears from its target drawer.

Sorry to destroy your fond Amiga memories but Workbench is featureless program stuck in 1985 which was already outdated back in early 90s.

@mihailod

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As long as we are charging money for MorphOS this would feel silly. If anything the MorphOS Team should fund such projects.

But could be cool to have MorphOS banner on some Mac site...

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It is. Not so hard to buy but when selling MorphOS you have to sell the whole deal, the OS and the HW. It would be easier if HW could be dropped from the equation...

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I just described default behaviour there: copy if destination is on a different filesystem, move if it's not. What it is on other desktops isn't really relevant.

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Well, now you know.

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Good for you, I suppose. I just find it akward and a relic of Win95 and thereabouts.

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Through hearsay, huh? Remeber that OS3.9 is more than 10 years old, 3.5 is what 13 years ago? And you use AmigaOS from 1994 to compare aganist. Yes, I know MorphOS devs tend to stick the nose in the sky and disqualify anything beyond 3.1 as "Hack&Patch crap", but some of the stuff was for the better, really. Get over it already.

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Valid points, it's nice that Ambient can show those in listers, and other meta data as well.

But when you copy a file with Ambient, and a file by that already exists, does it does it use those? From what I remember it just shows md5 sum, not versions. Do I remember wrong? Which is typically most usefull?

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I'm not overly excited about the Ambient toolbar either, you know, I would prefer if I could configure it tighter, like DOpus does.

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You can hit hotkey for "execute command", type in path and enter, and the drawer of that path will open.

On a related note, in Ambient that shortcut doesnt work unless "toolbar" is shown. I would have seperated those, so that one can have the path gadget without having the toolbar row. Also I would very much prefer if the path gadget could _always_ be in "edit" mode, like they are in DOpus, I really dont see the point of those buttons.

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True, that's a nice feature.

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If you remove "still" so that it's obvious that it is OS3.1 workbench you speak of, then true. For OS3.9, it is not quite true, since it comes with "BenchTrash" that ejects DVD/CDs if you drop their icons on it. In addition there are many ways to do it view the def icon and/or arexx interface of Workbench.

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True, something it also shares with more "modern" desktops. On the other hand, Workbench can lasso icons from multiple sources at once.

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Yes you can by changing language (or by editing catalog files)

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I dont even use bookmarks in web browsers anymore, let alone on my desktops, but I dont see what prevents anyone from doing bookmarks via the arexx interface. I use scripts to save my Workbench in various "profiles" with given sets of drawers open, and that works nicely.

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Yes, I like that, that's a feature in my view, it's not a shortcut, it's the file itself. It's called to "leave it out" on Workbench. When you grab a fork from you kitchen drawer and leave it out on the desk, it does vanish from your drawer right? The "shortcut" thing i just yet another Win95 thing.

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And Ambient isn't much better, allthough it has a few additional features that are nice. I started my rant here with lots of stuff that I find crap with Ambient, and naturally the knee-jerk reaction from MorphOS devs is to bring up Workbench as of 1994 for comparison. Well, it's not really impressing that Ambient of 2010 is somewhat more feature rich than a desktop that was more or less done in the eighties.

My initial complaint is that Ambient still is far from advanced enough... So it copied some concepts from Windows95, and it has a few features that makes it slightly better in some aspects than Workbench of 3.9 (which was done like 10 years ago), but it's still feels very much "under construction".

What ticks me off most though, is the attitude you show above, touting Ambient as sooo superior to anything else, when in reality it isn't.

And I'm not allone in using DOpus listers instead of Ambient listers.

And I really miss being able to tell Ambient drawer window to resize to fit the icons inside, and I hate how Ambient insists on resizing icons for no appearant reason. Whether to use toolbar or not, is a global choice when it should be something you can "snapshot" to the window of each path. Ditto for what file attributes to display, for example I want version strings to show when I browse system folders, but when I open a folder of ogg files I'd rather use the columns for other metadata. And.. and...

[ Edited by kolla on 2010/1/16 7:15 ]

[ Edited by kolla on 2010/1/16 7:15 ]

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But there's no harm to have them as an option in any case. If not for you, for the possible newcomers from the other platforms :) I find them pretty useful sometimes, it depends of the situation which way is the most efficient. I added cutnpaste module for my dopus5 too, not that I'd use it regularly, but options are good always :)

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As a side note, I really hate when designers (especially nowadays) try to limit user interaction to clumsy real world physics. Why to stick in real world manners when you have all the possibilities to get rid of those limits and make much more efficient and clever solutions.

@kolla

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Ah, BenchTrash. I had that on my Workbench 3.1, too. I got it for free from Aminet.

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But you can not scroll down window to expose more icons while using lasso.

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If you download a file from Aminet should it vanish from Aminet repository?

Though, thinking behind Workbench "leave out" functionality is different: it is moving a file to another location without actually moving it. But it is quite limiting if you wish to leave out whole directory for example.

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And PNG icons are soooo Linux. But you dont complain about it because you love Linux.

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It is not advanced enough.

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Not my fault there are no concepts to copy from Workbench 3.9. To copy something it must implement something first.

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Did I ever say that?


[ Edited by itix on 2010/1/16 14:23 ]

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Many users find copy/paste useful, and you're not forced to use it anyway.

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It also shows date, size and versions, along with md5.

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Dunno what you mean, but both pulldown menu shortcuts and shortcuts defined in settings->keyboard work when toolbar is disabled. And regarding path buttons, it fits with asl design, and there are also many users finding them useful.

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List mode can snapshot attributes (icons/all/thumbs, columns shown/hidden, column order, icon size ...) on a per-path basis. So you could very well snapshot sys:libs to show versions, while the default mode wouldn't show them, for instance.

[ Edited by Fab on 2010/1/16 14:09 ]

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If multiple drawers are selected "Paste Into" doesn't appear to do anything.
I don't think having them merged would be that sensible. You could easily not notice a drawer was selected and end up scratching your head wondering where your files had gone.

> One of the questions that often comes up is the need to copy the rexxsyslib.library from
> AmigaOS3.x to MOSSYS: and this could be handled by setting up the installation
> script/program to do a check for an AmigaOS3.5/3.9, or AmigaForever CD and if not found
> a requester would pop up where the path to where the rexxsyslib.library file could be found
> on the newbie's system could be typed in with directions at the beginning of the installation
> script/program stating that the AmigaOS3.5/3.9, AmigaForever CD is required for
> installation of this package

https://morph.zone/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6756&forum=3&start=20#69293

That would be rexxsyslib.library 36.23 (17.04.91). I'm not sure if it works the same under MorphOS as the one from OS3.

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36.23 is the version included with OS3.1

> 36.23 is the version included with OS3.1

Ah, I see. The date led me into thinking it's part of OS2.x.

> Remeber that OS3.9 is more than 10 years old, 3.5 is what 13 years ago?

OS3.9 is from late 2000 (= about 9 years old), OS3.5 from late 1999 (= about 10 years old).